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There ARE actually a handful of archetypes for this sort of thing; losing medium and heavy armor prof.
Lore Warden comes to mind pretty quickly, and Cad's on that list too.
Heck, there's even a spell casting archetype in Arcane Anthology.
And after that, well, the question is WHY they want to be a fighter.
It's not irrelevent at all.
Why not play a duelist, brawler, rogue, slayer, ranger, etc?
Offer them good Reflex and Will saves in return. It's a good deal, it powers-up a weak character, and it doesn't skew expectations by letting them crawl really far ahead in a feat tree.
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Offer them good Reflex and Will saves in return. It's a good deal, it powers-up a weak character, and it doesn't skew expectations by letting them crawl really far ahead in a feat tree.Cool. Would you give them the feats Iron Will and Lightning Reflexes? Or just a non-specific bonus to those 2 saves?
TBH, I would probably let them use the good save progression: +2 at level 1, +½ per level, instead of the bad save progression (+1/3) from the table. It's a straight power-up, and that's deliberate. If you want to be more Rules-as-written-y, giving them Iron Will and Lightning Reflexes at least opens up later feats in those chains.
TBH, I would probably let them use the good save progression: +2 at level 1, +½ per level, instead of the bad save progression (+1/3) from the table. It's a straight power-up, and that's deliberate. If you want to be more Rules-as-written-y, giving them Iron Will and Lightning Reflexes at least opens up later feats in those chains.Offer them good Reflex and Will saves in return. It's a good deal, it powers-up a weak character, and it doesn't skew expectations by letting them crawl really far ahead in a feat tree.Cool. Would you give them the feats Iron Will and Lightning Reflexes? Or just a non-specific bonus to those 2 saves?
I might offer them just a good Reflex save (in the same sense as above), possibly with the option of taking a good Will save instead. Good saves are pretty potent stuff, much more powerful than just Lightning Reflexes and/or Iron Will at mid-to-high levels.
I think two good saves for loss of armor proficiency h and m and shields is too generous personally. Even one good save is probably too good. In my experience, heavy armor isn't really all that much better than light armor, and can be even worse in several situations.
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I'd give them 4 skill points a level, a scaling bonus to combat maneuvers, and some bonuses to using knowledge to find weak spots on a foe. Some of that may be a little too much for just the armor prof, so I would take away armor training as well. You don't need it if you are only wearing light armor.
Huh. I guess it would be easier to just play a lore warden.
I think two good saves for loss of armor proficiency h and m and shields is too generous personally. Even one good save is probably too good. In my experience, heavy armor isn't really all that much better than light armor, and can be even worse in several situations.
A player who accepts it could/would just take a level in cavalier to get all those proficiencies back anyway.
I wouldn't do it... especially since Ricardo points out.. it's too easy to cheese those back anyway.
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To be fair, that's what Archetypes are for. There are enough, that should fit his ideas.
I mean, medium/heavy/shield profs are feats, but don't just give him bonus feats for that. Especially at level 1!
In the end you may see your player picks lvl 1 Fighter, saying thanks for the three bonus feats and multiclasses in a class, that give them the profs anyway.
Let him choose an archetype, that gives him something in return. If he doesn't want to, let him play in light armor. Using no heavy armor spares some money and he does not suffer armor check penalties that high and a speed reduction in the earlier levels.
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When it comes to houseruled archetypes, isn't the usual assumption that the GM will come down hard on the player if they try to pull some sneaky rules loophole shenanigans with whatever they got? I think most GMs would slap down a player who tried to exploit houseruled content that way.
When it comes to houseruled archetypes, isn't the usual assumption that the GM will come down hard on the player if they try to pull some sneaky rules loophole shenanigans with whatever they got? I think most GMs would slap down a player who tried to exploit houseruled content that way.
It's easier just to write it in such a way that prevents the need for such a thing. Such as making it only work while wearing light or no armour.
When it comes to houseruled archetypes, isn't the usual assumption that the GM will come down hard on the player if they try to pull some sneaky rules loophole shenanigans with whatever they got? I think most GMs would slap down a player who tried to exploit houseruled content that way.It's easier just to write it in such a way that prevents the need for such a thing. Such as making it only work while wearing light or no armour.
The ranger's bonus feats work this way.
