While it's a slow burn compared to some of the other Marvel shows, I do think what Luke Cage is about isn't the same as Daredevil or even Jessica Jones. So for me, the payoff comes later, which is fine.
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It was really nice to see some straight up super-powered stompage. Jessica Jones felt like it kind of stretched it out and made it more of a big deal when she showed off her strength. Luke just walked through gun-toting gangsters like it was no big deal, and while there was less of the 'every fight could kill him!' sense of imminent danger than there was in a fight in Daredevil, there was also more of a bombastic 'ooh yeah!' feel to it when Cage just slapped guns out of people's hands and plinked them on the forehead with two fingers to knock them out.
And yet, he was in real danger, at other times, or fighting with a serious disadvantage (even if that disadvantage was trying to protect a non-bulletproof civilian from the crossfire), so it wasn't all danger-free super-hero power-fantasy.
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really enjoyed Bring the ruckus scene and when Meth appeared
-The show does drag down and get boring from time to time. But it was fun to watch.
-I thought Hammer tech was supposed to be junk, this Hammer tech is lethal.
-I kept expecting more cameos from the other shows but nope.
-Does Luke Cage have to sleep with so many female heroes?! It was irritating.
-Does Luke Cage have to sleep with so many female heroes?! It was irritating.Two, across as many series, is "so many"?
Three after Reva.
How many female heroes has he met since being on air? Three.Jessica Jones, Misty Knight, and Night Nurse.
Is that the right message? Sleep with all the girls you want we are disposable.
Isn't this message exactly why so many black kids have no fathers?
-Does Luke Cage have to sleep with so many female heroes?! It was irritating.Two, across as many series, is "so many"?Three after Reva.
How many female heroes has he met since being on air? Three.
Jessica Jones, Misty Knight, and Night Nurse.
Is that the right message? Sleep with all the girls you want we are disposable.
Isn't this message exactly why so many black kids have no fathers?
This has more to do with a lack of condoms and other options for safe sex than anything else. Growing up condoms were only available for purchase for reasonable amounts of money(for a school student at least) in white neighborhoods or given out in school- and parents could easily veto that last. My junior high school was the first year parents didn't veto it, and that was largely because of std fears, not pregnancy ones. By the time I got to high school, the message was clearer- people have sex. condoms exist. Use em.
Also, my phone kept editing this to "condos for sale", which is hilarious. "people have sex. Condos for sale.
Settle down."
My phone agrees with you, at least...
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Is that the right message? Sleep with all the girls you want we are disposable.
I saw nothing remotely similar to that 'message' in either series.
He stayed with Reva, despite knowing she had lied about the experiments, until she died.
He stayed with Jessica until he found out she was lying to him and had killed Reva.
Misty used, lied to, and dumped him.
It was implied that these were the only three women he had been with for many years (at least since he went to prison), despite other opportunities. Based on the available data he only ever broke off one relationship... with the woman who killed his wife. Virtually the opposite of the 'love them and leave them' impression you somehow got.
Now... if you wanted to complain that Marvel presented all three women as manipulative liars who were using Cage you'd have a legitimate gripe.
Is that the right message? Sleep with all the girls you want we are disposable.I saw nothing remotely similar to that 'message' in either series.
He stayed with Reva, despite knowing she had lied about the experiments, until she died.
He stayed with Jessica until he found out she was lying to him and had killed Reva.
Misty used, lied to, and dumped him.It was implied that these were the only three women he had been with for many years (at least since he went to prison), despite other opportunities. Based on the available data he only ever broke off one relationship... with the woman who killed his wife. Virtually the opposite of the 'love them and leave them' impression you somehow got.
Now... if you wanted to complain that Marvel presented all three women as manipulative liars who were using Cage you'd have a legitimate gripe.
excellent observation.
Is that the right message? Sleep with all the girls you want we are disposable.I saw nothing remotely similar to that 'message' in either series.
He stayed with Reva, despite knowing she had lied about the experiments, until she died.
He stayed with Jessica until he found out she was lying to him and had killed Reva.
Misty used, lied to, and dumped him.It was implied that these were the only three women he had been with for many years (at least since he went to prison), despite other opportunities. Based on the available data he only ever broke off one relationship... with the woman who killed his wife. Virtually the opposite of the 'love them and leave them' impression you somehow got.
Now... if you wanted to complain that Marvel presented all three women as manipulative liars who were using Cage you'd have a legitimate gripe.
He works with 4 women since prison and sleeps with all 4. Ok technically the feds interrupt his hook up with night nurse so they never get to "go for coffee" but clearly it was going to happen and might still depending on the next series. Maybe my problem is less with Luke Cage and more with Marvel making it's girls into sluts.
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He works with 4 women since prison and sleeps with all 4.
Not so.
Along with the 'technicality' on Misty (who he had been with for quite some time without anything happening) that'd make 3 vs 3... and I'd argue a show making sure to cover every woman he DIDN'T sleep with over the course of several years would go on forever. For example, all of the OTHER women working at the bar who didn't have lines.
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Is that the right message? Sleep with all the girls you want we are disposable.I saw nothing remotely similar to that 'message' in either series.
He stayed with Reva, despite knowing she had lied about the experiments, until she died.
He stayed with Jessica until he found out she was lying to him and had killed Reva.
Misty used, lied to, and dumped him.It was implied that these were the only three women he had been with for many years (at least since he went to prison), despite other opportunities. Based on the available data he only ever broke off one relationship... with the woman who killed his wife. Virtually the opposite of the 'love them and leave them' impression you somehow got.
Now... if you wanted to complain that Marvel presented all three women as manipulative liars who were using Cage you'd have a legitimate gripe.
He works with 4 women since prison and sleeps with all 4. Ok technically the feds interrupt his hook up with night nurse so they never get to "go for coffee" but clearly it was going to happen and might still depending on the next series. Maybe my problem is less with Luke Cage and more with Marvel making it's girls into sluts.
And women having a sex life makes them a slut how...?
I don't know... maybe it's the Christian values drilled into me from infancy but you shouldn't sleep with someone you don't intend to marry. Having 3 of these loose moral relationships in a row makes me want a good role model woman to be featured here at some point.
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This is not a show for children by any means. Even I wouldn't show this to my kids, and I'm pretty out there. I think your moral compass is admirable, but it's pointing the wrong way on this one.
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Plus he was obviously in love with Reva. So not just sleeping.
He had sex with Jessica because she is the only one whom he can cut loose with, and there was tension as well.
As for Misty, sometimes you get really attracted to someone and that results in sex.
None of these women is a slut. Plus there is no such thing. People enjoy sex.
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The sex is BAD but the constant brutal violence is okay.
*Looks over at the Crusades...*
Okay I guess...
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Plus he was obviously in love with Reva. So not just sleeping.
He had sex with Jessica because she is the only one whom he can cut loose with, and there was tension as well.
As for Misty, sometimes you get really attracted to someone and that results in sex.None of these women is a slut. Plus there is no such thing. People enjoy sex.
Not into the whole slut shaming thing AT ALL.
BUT the fact that she's calling these women characters sluts is a little disturbing considering that we've only seen:
Riva WITH ONE MAN.
Jessica WITH ONE MAN.
Misty Knight WITH ONE MAN.
Claire Temple WITH ONE MAN (Matt Murdock).
So, how are they sluts again?
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Plus he was obviously in love with Reva. So not just sleeping.
He had sex with Jessica because she is the only one whom he can cut loose with, and there was tension as well.
As for Misty, sometimes you get really attracted to someone and that results in sex.None of these women is a slut. Plus there is no such thing. People enjoy sex.
Not into the whole slut shaming thing AT ALL.
BUT the fact that she's calling these women characters sluts is a little disturbing considering that we've only seen:
Riva WITH ONE MAN.
Jessica WITH ONE MAN.
Misty Knight WITH ONE MAN.
Claire Temple WITH ONE MAN (Matt Murdock).
So, how are they sluts again?
Going off of Aranna's viewpoint because they had sex outside of marriage/with no intention of marriage.
Now... if you wanted to complain that Marvel presented all three women as manipulative liars who were using Cage you'd have a legitimate gripe.
THIS. RIGHT HERE.
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Going off of Aranna's viewpoint because they had sex outside of marriage/with no intention of marriage.Plus he was obviously in love with Reva. So not just sleeping.
He had sex with Jessica because she is the only one whom he can cut loose with, and there was tension as well.
As for Misty, sometimes you get really attracted to someone and that results in sex.None of these women is a slut. Plus there is no such thing. People enjoy sex.
Not into the whole slut shaming thing AT ALL.
BUT the fact that she's calling these women characters sluts is a little disturbing considering that we've only seen:
Riva WITH ONE MAN.
Jessica WITH ONE MAN.
Misty Knight WITH ONE MAN.
Claire Temple WITH ONE MAN (Matt Murdock).
So, how are they sluts again?
I'm wondering if she made these same complaints during the two seasons of Daredevil and the one season of Jessica Jones? Or during any of the other countless TV shows where people sleep with each other without being married?
Or did she wait until a clearly Black themed show with unrepentantly black characters to to trot out the moral high ground?
I wouldnt have brought this up if not for her comment about absent black fathers further up thread.
Going off of Aranna's viewpoint because they had sex outside of marriage/with no intention of marriage.Plus he was obviously in love with Reva. So not just sleeping.
He had sex with Jessica because she is the only one whom he can cut loose with, and there was tension as well.
As for Misty, sometimes you get really attracted to someone and that results in sex.None of these women is a slut. Plus there is no such thing. People enjoy sex.
Not into the whole slut shaming thing AT ALL.
BUT the fact that she's calling these women characters sluts is a little disturbing considering that we've only seen:
Riva WITH ONE MAN.
Jessica WITH ONE MAN.
Misty Knight WITH ONE MAN.
Claire Temple WITH ONE MAN (Matt Murdock).
So, how are they sluts again?
I'm wondering if she made these same complaints during the two seasons of Daredevil and the one season of Jessica Jones? Or during any of the other countless TV shows where people sleep with each other without being married?
Or did she wait until a clearly Black themed show with unrepentantly black characters to to trot out the moral high ground?
I wouldnt have brought this up if not for her comment about absent black fathers further up thread.
to be fair, Cage is having the most sex of any character so far across three shows. He's getting laid. Part of this is depicted as old school blacksploitation sex, as observed by my wife, and different from the "the is the only person I can have sex with without hurting them" sadly only briefly presented in Jessica Jones or the tortured "pleasure is bad" Catholic aspect of daredevil.
However this is NOT Black Dynamite where he has fathered an entire neighborhood. Sex is happening responsibly and fairly, with cage turning down offers for sex as well as pursuing others. This is the best of both worlds for most. But he is definitely portrayed as a sexual character.|
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None of these women is a slut. Plus there is no such thing.
Wait... what?
Because you don't like what a word connotes, you have somehow decreed that it doesn't exist?
That's like saying that bastards don't exist because you don't like the implication that it makes children born out of wedlock seem lesser. I totally agree that those children are in no way lesser (though statistically they are at social disadvantages) and perhaps they shouldn't be described that way, but that doesn't mean that they are not, by strict definition, "bastards".
Going off of Aranna's viewpoint because they had sex outside of marriage/with no intention of marriage.Plus he was obviously in love with Reva. So not just sleeping.
He had sex with Jessica because she is the only one whom he can cut loose with, and there was tension as well.
As for Misty, sometimes you get really attracted to someone and that results in sex.None of these women is a slut. Plus there is no such thing. People enjoy sex.
Not into the whole slut shaming thing AT ALL.
BUT the fact that she's calling these women characters sluts is a little disturbing considering that we've only seen:
Riva WITH ONE MAN.
Jessica WITH ONE MAN.
Misty Knight WITH ONE MAN.
Claire Temple WITH ONE MAN (Matt Murdock).
So, how are they sluts again?
I'm wondering if she made these same complaints during the two seasons of Daredevil and the one season of Jessica Jones? Or during any of the other countless TV shows where people sleep with each other without being married?
Or did she wait until a clearly Black themed show with unrepentantly black characters to to trot out the moral high ground?
I wouldnt have brought this up if not for her comment about absent black fathers further up thread.
to be fair, Cage is having the most sex of any character so far across three shows. He's getting laid. Part of this is depicted as old school blacksploitation sex, as observed by my wife, and different from the "the is the only person I can have sex with without hurting them" sadly only briefly presented in Jessica Jones or the tortured "pleasure is bad" Catholic aspect of daredevil.
However this is NOT Black Dynamite where he has fathered an entire neighborhood. Sex is happening responsibly and fairly, with cage turning down offers for sex as well as pursuing others. This is the best of both worlds for most. But he is definitely portrayed as a sexual character.
Uh so is Matt Murdock. I mean Foggy is ribbing him pretty consistently about him using his blindness to pick up women. I'm trying to remember if he actually sleeps with Karen Page but he's been with Claire and Elektra during the course of both seasons right? So that's three women if I am correct?
So are we giving the white guy and his paramours a pass and coming down on the black guy and his paramours to the point of labeling the women who are with Luke as 'sluts'. Even though they've each to our knowledge on the shows, only slept with Luke?
Matt Murdock is another good example of show casing loose moral women. And remember Claire offers to sleep with Luke Cage at the end of Luke Cage season 1 (so it's not just with Matt). I think I would like to see better relationships featured than the sex for fun that Marvel seems to be pushing.
I did in the past give Jessica a pass because there was no way anyone with that level of mental trauma was going to make rational or loving relationship choices. But so far every living featured main character girl is full on sex for fun type with the exception of the villain Mariah Dillard who had no relationships at all?! This isn't balanced this is pushing a message.
They ARE... is there a male word for it?
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They ARE... is there a male word for it?
We call ourselves manwhores, thank you very much.
Matt Murdock has multiple partners.
Luke Cage has multiple partners.
Why aren't you calling them sluts? Instead of their partners who only have one partner?
One partner?! They have no intention of a stable long term loving relationship. It is pretty clearly implied they will sleep with someone else if it catches their fancy at some point.
They ARE... is there a male word for it?
So let me understand something, if you are not married and have a consentual sexual relationship with someone, you are a slut (or male version of a slut)? Correct?
Plenty, you were just targeting the women with it however.They ARE... is there a male word for it?
There are more balanced viewpoints offered on the male side so far than having EVERY main guy be like Luke or Matt.
So let me understand something, if you are not married and have a consentual sexual relationship with someone, you are a slut (or male version of a slut)? Correct?They ARE... is there a male word for it?
Yeah, sure, that totally makes sense.
Also I might want to point out that the Christian God is himself an adulterer and a manwhore by your own definition, having both slept with impregnated a woman who was already married and with whom he had no intent or desire to have a loving relationship with.
...Going off of Aranna's viewpoint because they had sex outside of marriage/with no intention of marriage.Plus he was obviously in love with Reva. So not just sleeping.
He had sex with Jessica because she is the only one whom he can cut loose with, and there was tension as well.
As for Misty, sometimes you get really attracted to someone and that results in sex.None of these women is a slut. Plus there is no such thing. People enjoy sex.
Not into the whole slut shaming thing AT ALL.
BUT the fact that she's calling these women characters sluts is a little disturbing considering that we've only seen:
Riva WITH ONE MAN.
Jessica WITH ONE MAN.
Misty Knight WITH ONE MAN.
Claire Temple WITH ONE MAN (Matt Murdock).
So, how are they sluts again?
I'm wondering if she made these same complaints during the two seasons of Daredevil and the one season of Jessica Jones? Or during any of the other countless TV shows where people sleep with each other without being married?
Or did she wait until a clearly Black themed show with unrepentantly black characters to to trot out the moral high ground?
I wouldnt have brought this up if not for her comment about absent black fathers further up thread.
to be fair, Cage is having the most sex of any character so far across three shows. He's getting laid. Part of this is depicted as old school blacksploitation sex, as observed by my wife, and different from the "the is the only person I can have sex with without hurting them" sadly only briefly presented in Jessica Jones or the tortured "pleasure is bad" Catholic aspect of daredevil.
However this is NOT Black Dynamite where he has fathered an entire neighborhood. Sex is happening responsibly and fairly, with cage turning down offers for sex as well as pursuing others. This is the best of both worlds for most. But he is definitely portrayed as a
to the best of my knowledge, he turns down Karen. I think he was only ever with Electra and the Night Nurse. But even then he was conflicted.
That said, I don't have a problem with anyone having sex. If anything I'm happy they are, and that it is being portrayed responsibly.
Yeah, sure, that totally makes sense.So let me understand something, if you are not married and have a consentual sexual relationship with someone, you are a slut (or male version of a slut)? Correct?They ARE... is there a male word for it?
Hey man, I'm just trying to clarify her statement. You know, making sure that I'm understanding clearly what she's saying.
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Also I might want to point out that the Christian God is himself an adulterer and a manwhore by your own definition, having both slept with impregnated a woman who was already married and with whom he had no intent or desire to have a loving relationship with.
Please... don't try to start an argument about a topic which you obviously know nothing about.
So let me understand something, if you are not married and have a consentual sexual relationship with someone, you are a slut (or male version of a slut)? Correct?They ARE... is there a male word for it?
I have stopped using slut... it has too much emotional baggage. I switched to "loose moral relationship". No. I don't consider consensual sexual relationships which are clearly evolved from a close loving relationship and clearly evolving toward marriage to be loose moral relationships (although I have a fairly liberal interpretation compared to strict religious doctrine). I DO find casual sexual relationships between friends, one night stands, or two people just getting each other off with no commitment to be "loose moral relationships".
Hey man, I'm just trying to clarify her statement. You know, making sure that I'm understanding clearly what she's saying.Yeah, sure, that totally makes sense.So let me understand something, if you are not married and have a consentual sexual relationship with someone, you are a slut (or male version of a slut)? Correct?They ARE... is there a male word for it?
Don't worry buddy, I'm not coming down with. Just trying to lighten the mood a bit with some snark.
So let me understand something, if you are not married and have a consentual sexual relationship with someone, you are a slut (or male version of a slut)? Correct?They ARE... is there a male word for it?
I have stopped using slut... it has too much emotional baggage. I switched to "loose moral relationship". No. I don't consider consensual sexual relationships which are clearly evolved from a close loving relationship and clearly evolving toward marriage to be loose moral relationships (although I have a fairly liberal interpretation compared to strict religious doctrine). I DO find casual sexual relationships between friends, one night stands, or two people just getting each other off with no commitment to be "loose moral relationships".
That's cool. Personally I don't think having causal sex has to do with morality, but to each their own.
Kind of wish we go back to talking about Luke Cage's show though. That was cool too.
They ARE... is there a male word for it?
Yeah. Stud.
The double standard is a huge part of the problem.
Umm...
I don't mean to be intrusive, but "stud" is an insensitive title that is a relic of less enlightened and inclusive times. We prefer to be called manwhores.
#ManwhoreAndProud
*This is a stupid, and likely ill-advised, joke. Don't kill me. :)
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Honest question. Why are we applying Christian morals and standards to Luke Cage or the woman/women in the show(s)? Have they suggested any of the characters are Christian? (Other than Murdock?)
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Back to the real topic: Luke Cage. I just watched the first episode. I enjoyed it and thought it was well-done. I'll likely finish the season.
I do wish they'd make these shows (Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, mostly) without as much unnecessary sexual content (some of it helps drive the story forward; some of it seems less necessary), but that's because I'm admittedly a prude. :)
Also, I like that this series of shows (Daredevil and Luke Cage) make their villains seem like Real Bad Dudes by having them pulpify someone's head/face with their bare hands.
I don't know why I"m so okay with excessive violence but not with sex. I blame video games.
#don'tbringupGrandTheftAuto #Letmelivemylie
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I too like the realistic villains we have gotten so far. They are scarier than anything I have seen in a comic so far.
All I want is them to feature a variety of types of female sexual viewpoints in the main characters. They certainly don't have to all be Christian.
Yes the villains are quite scary so far. They definitely do good work building bad people.
So let me understand something, if you are not married and have a consentual sexual relationship with someone, you are a slut (or male version of a slut)? Correct?They ARE... is there a male word for it?
I have stopped using slut... it has too much emotional baggage. I switched to "loose moral relationship". No. I don't consider consensual sexual relationships which are clearly evolved from a close loving relationship and clearly evolving toward marriage to be loose moral relationships (although I have a fairly liberal interpretation compared to strict religious doctrine). I DO find casual sexual relationships between friends, one night stands, or two people just getting each other off with no commitment to be "loose moral relationships".
Ah. Okay, understood. Thank you for clarifying.
I too like the realistic villains we have gotten so far. They are scarier than anything I have seen in a comic so far.
I think the Purple Man from Jessica Jones still holds the crown as the most scariest villain Marvel has produced so far, but Luke Cage certainly has the most realistic...
At for least for the first part of the season.