First Look at Pathfinder Remastered Covers

[James Jacobs]

CaptainRelyk wrote:

Would you be able to at least confirm that me and others desire to have a cantrip that can let us do fun flavorful things like create sparkles, illusionary/fake rain in a 5x5 square while our bard performs a sad song, create floral scent, or make eyes glow, is something the Paizo dev team are aware of or maybe even discussing?

I cannot. Please be patient.

[CaptainRelyk]

James Jacobs wrote:

CaptainRelyk wrote:

Would you be able to at least confirm that me and others desire to have a cantrip that can let us do fun flavorful things like create sparkles, illusionary/fake rain in a 5x5 square while our bard performs a sad song, create floral scent, or make eyes glow, is something the Paizo dev team are aware of or maybe even discussing?

I cannot. Please be patient.

Alright, I’m sorry

[Aaron Shanks]

darthtrevino wrote:

Those sketched covers are gorgeous!!

- Will the normal, non-sketch covers be part of the PFS2 core rules subscription?
- Will the sketch-covers include some form of PDF redemption since they're only available in-store?

Q: Will the Pathfinder Second Edition Remaster books be part of my ongoing Pathfinder Rulebooks subscription?

A: Pathfinder Second Edition Remaster books will be included in ongoing Pathfinder Rulebooks subscriptions. We are currently working on a method whereby existing subscribers will have the opportunity to “opt out” of these volumes if they wish and will provide additional details as we get closer to the release of the first two volumes.

Q: Will the sketch-covers include some form of PDF redemption since they're only available in-store?

A: No, PDFs will be sold separately.

[Hilary Moon Murphy]

On-Topic: I love this art, and hope you publish an adult coloring book with it as Sebastian Hirsch suggested. I also am glad that you are providing a carrot for in person game stores with this edition.

Off-Topic: Captain Relyk, I think that you could benefit from reading a thread that I created a while ago on forum communication: How we can disagree.

In particular, I want to direct your attention to the second toolbox item, on increasing signal-to-noise ratio. Many of the things you point out are useful, but your message is getting lost in the noise of your own repeated posts. They would have much more impact if you posted your opinion once (or maybe a second time for a clarification) rather than repeating it.

I appreciate your passion and energy, so let's help you direct them in a manner that will be more sustainable and effective.

Yours,
Hmm

[Macgreine]

Are these available to people who have rulebook subscriptions?

[Hilary Moon Murphy]

Macgreine wrote:

Are these available to people who have rulebook subscriptions?

According to the blog, these covers will be primarily available in gaming stores.

Paizo Blog wrote:

For the first four months of their release, Pathfinder Sketch Cover versions of the new core rulebooks will be available EXCLUSIVELY at hobby retailers worldwide. We will not be offering these editions to online or bookstore retailers, ever! We also do not intend to reprint these editions beyond our modest initial print run. We’ll retain a small number to sell on paizo.com after the 120-day exclusivity period for folks who do not have access to a local game store, but these special editions are intended to support our local game store partners who have been such a big part of Pathfinder’s success since the very beginning. We urge you to communicate your interest in these special books to your local store, so that they can be sure to stock appropriately.

[Rhapsodic College Dropout]

These are beautiful and I cannot wait to get my hands on them. While I'm not too stoked on buying books all over again just a few years into the edition, I get it. Less of the OGL and more of ORC is a good thing.

[breithauptclan]

Macgreine wrote:

Are these available to people who have rulebook subscriptions?

The contents of the books are going to be part of the rulebook subscriptions though. Special cover version is not.

[CaptainRelyk]

Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:

Macgreine wrote:

Are these available to people who have rulebook subscriptions?

According to the blog, these covers will be primarily available in gaming stores.

Paizo Blog wrote:

For the first four months of their release, Pathfinder Sketch Cover versions of the new core rulebooks will be available EXCLUSIVELY at hobby retailers worldwide. We will not be offering these editions to online or bookstore retailers, ever! We also do not intend to reprint these editions beyond our modest initial print run. We’ll retain a small number to sell on paizo.com after the 120-day exclusivity period for folks who do not have access to a local game store, but these special editions are intended to support our local game store partners who have been such a big part of Pathfinder’s success since the very beginning. We urge you to communicate your interest in these special books to your local store, so that they can be sure to stock appropriately.

Like this post right here?: https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t6a?Question-Suggestion-for-Paizo-with-new

I’m just worried the devs at Paizo, the ones who make the spells and cantrips, aren’t going to notice my suggestion, something I know a lot of people want

[CaptainRelyk]

Especially because I screwed up my opportunity to suggest it during the streams the other day , and instead I kept asking about brass dragons

[breithauptclan]

CaptainRelyk wrote:

Like this post right here?: https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t6a?Question-Suggestion-for-Paizo-with-new

Ye s. That is perfect. I have done that myself too.

CaptainRelyk wrote:

I’m just worried the devs at Paizo, the ones who make the spells and cantrips, aren’t going to notice my suggestion, something I know a lot of people want

The devs themselves may not read these forums very closely. But the information does get back to them. They listen a lot more than they post. It does just take a long time to make changes (as in - measured in years, not months or weeks). Just note the date on my request thread and realize that the changes to the class are still over 6 months away from being published.

[pixierose]

CaptainRelyk wrote:

Especially because I screwed up my opportunity to suggest it during the streams the other day , and instead I kept asking about brass dragons

You didn't screw anything up, you got excited about a topic and mentioned it. You've now both expressed both ideas. This is not a burden or duty you need to put on yourself. By expressing a concerm you've done your part. If other people agree they will mention it as well, in the approrptiate times and places. Taken initative is good, but so is looking at what people say, listening, and moving forward. Take a deep breath and accept youve done your part for now. You don't need to make up for any past mistakes you think you've made here.

[Hilary Moon Murphy]

Very well said, Pixierose!

Let us take the discussion of how to make your forum requests more effective to the thread I linked earlier.

That way this thread can be about cool book covers.

[Reckless]

magnuskn wrote:

Oh, that's Xanderghul on the GM cover. I wonder if that means he might be coming back... he kinda got screwed over in Return of the Runelords, IMO. :p

James Jacobs wrote:

For those also wondering, yes, that's Runelord Xanderghul on the mirage dragon for the GM Core. We've put a runelord and their dragon buddy on the previous two GM books, after all.

Dang, ninja'ed by James himself.

He absolutely decimated my players' characters.

So much so that I had to pull timey-wimey shenanigans to put a different version of the team together to take on the rest of the AP, with the option for the players to play their original characters once they

Spoiler:

fixed the timeline variations caused by you know who.

[magnuskn]

Reckless wrote:

magnuskn wrote:

Oh, that's Xanderghul on the GM cover. I wonder if that means he might be coming back... he kinda got screwed over in Return of the Runelords, IMO. :p

James Jacobs wrote:

For those also wondering, yes, that's Runelord Xanderghul on the mirage dragon for the GM Core. We've put a runelord and their dragon buddy on the previous two GM books, after all.

Dang, ninja'ed by James himself.

He absolutely decimated my players' characters.

So much so that I had to pull timey-wimey shenanigans to put a different version of the team together to take on the rest of the AP, with the option for the players to play their original characters once they
** spoiler omitted **

I just loved the descriptions in the book where he seemed kind like a very bored Tony Stark. :p

[TlalocPendragon]

I know it's probably getting repetitive at this point, but just to put it all to rest. There are going to be 3 Versions of these Remaster Books, yeah?

The Regular Covers: Available through the Online Store, The Subscription Service, and in LGS's.

The Special Edition (Leather-bound) Covers: Available through the Online Store, The Special Edition Subscription Service, and in LGS's.

And these Sketch Special Editions: Primarily Available in LGS's, some might be sold online while supplies last, but unavailable in any Subscription Service.

Is that correct?

[breithauptclan]

And the standard cover pocket edition that will be coming out a few months after the hardback versions do.

[fujisempai]

I want these covers, but I also want the PDF from my subscription, but I don't have enough shelf space to have two copies of the book. side note, what would I call this printing in order to preorder from my local game store?

[Dancing Wind]

fujisempai wrote:

I want these covers, but I also want the PDF from my subscription, but I don't have enough shelf space to have two copies of the book. side note, what would I call this printing in order to preorder from my local game store?

In the blog post, they're called we’ll also be offering unique Sketch Cover editions of the rulebooks,

[Enlight_Bystand]

fujisempai wrote:

I want these covers, but I also want the PDF from my subscription, but I don't have enough shelf space to have two copies of the book. side note, what would I call this printing in order to preorder from my local game store?

Dancing Wind has taken your second point, for the first, the PDF will be purchasable seperately, and for cheaper than the book, so I would recommend you get the sketch cover versions from your LGS and use the planned option to skip the subscription copies and just buy the PDFs when available in November.

["Helmy"]

Minor request: Can we not have the dragon on the cover of the Player Core be a Red Dragon this time? It would make it easier for new players who have not seen the core rulebooks be able to differentiate between first and second edition a little easier.

[Rysky]

"Helmy" wrote:

Minor request: Can we not have the dragon on the cover of the Player Core be a Red Dragon this time? It would make it easier for new players who have not seen the core rulebooks be able to differentiate between first and second edition a little easier.

Conversely, having that familiarity alerts people that this is the Pathfinder Player’s Guide.

[Ezekieru]

"Helmy" wrote:

Minor request: Can we not have the dragon on the cover of the Player Core be a Red Dragon this time? It would make it easier for new players who have not seen the core rulebooks be able to differentiate between first and second edition a little easier.

From what was said by Luis Loza in one of the PF2ER threads, the dragon on the cover of Player Core 1 will be the new Diabolic Dragon, and the one on the cover of GM Core will be the new Mirage Dragon.

[Mythraine]

What are the odds of sketch covers for the other two core books? (PC2 and MC)

[Ezekieru]

Mythraine wrote:

What are the odds of sketch covers for the other two core books? (PC2 and MC)

Someone asked this on Reddit, and Erik Mona said this:

"We will be doing these for all four announced Remaster books. It remains to be seen if we will do them beyond that, but I’m encouraged by the positive reaction. If people buy them, we’ll make more."

[Rysky]

Ezekieru wrote:

"Helmy" wrote:

Minor request: Can we not have the dragon on the cover of the Player Core be a Red Dragon this time? It would make it easier for new players who have not seen the core rulebooks be able to differentiate between first and second edition a little easier.

From what was said by Luis Loza in one of the PF2ER threads, the dragon on the cover of Player Core 1 will be the new Diabolic Dragon, and the one on the cover of GM Core will be the new Mirage Dragon.

to be fair in P1, the WafflesDiabolic Dragon was red.

[Mythraine]

Ezekieru wrote:

Mythraine wrote:

What are the odds of sketch covers for the other two core books? (PC2 and MC)

Someone asked this on Reddit, and Erik Mona said this:

"We will be doing these for all four announced Remaster books. It remains to be seen if we will do them beyond that, but I’m encouraged by the positive reaction. If people buy them, we’ll make more."

Nice! I actually hope the sketch covers remain exclusive to the four core books and they are not repeated past them. It will make the four core books feel extra special.

[Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti]

James Jacobs wrote:

CaptainRelyk wrote:

Will the new core dragons include lovable and wholesome dragons and also sadistic and cruel dragons, like how chromatic and metallic dragons were?

Could any of the new dragons out-wholesome the lovable brass boi? Or out-malice the cruel red?

1) Yes to both, I suspect and hope.

2) The existing dragons in 2nd edition aren't vanishing from the game. You can still use them in your games in the remastered rules. And we'll continue to have them play roles in Golarion in remastered adventures... but that's a "later and down the line" goal for us. We want to put some of our new dragons front and center in the Monster Core to build some of our own scaly friends and foes!

I have a few draconic themed characters in PFS, a white dragon kobold, a gold dragon dragon disciple sorcerer, and a copper dragon totem half orc barbarian. Will there be substantial changes to these classes with the rework of the dracos?

[MrPointy]

Will we be able to Pre-Order these before the 120-day exclusivity period?
I understand we won't receive them until after the 120-days is up, but a pre-order would be nice.

[WatersLethe]

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

I have a few draconic themed characters in PFS, a white dragon kobold, a gold dragon dragon disciple sorcerer, and a copper dragon totem half orc barbarian. Will there be substantial changes to these classes with the rework of the dracos?

First, you can still choose to use the existing rules for them, if it becomes an issue. However, ultimately, I don't think the changes are going to be drastic. I bet they're going to add more dragons to the lists for those characters so it isn't so clearly "chromatic vs metallic". At the very least, there should be very similar options you could easily reflavor if it came to it.

[Ed Reppert]

What I'd really like to be able to do, is to buy these covers as art that I can frame and hang on my wall.

[WatersLethe]

Ed Reppert wrote:

What I'd really like to be able to do, is to buy these covers as art that I can frame and hang on my wall.

*Looks up from partially finished puzzle*

*Looks back at the three previous puzzles framed and hanging on the wall*

You're telling me there's an easier way???

[paleh0rse14]

yessss! I'll gladly continue to support my local shop and buy one of each.

[The Raven Black]

WatersLethe wrote:

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

I have a few draconic themed characters in PFS, a white dragon kobold, a gold dragon dragon disciple sorcerer, and a copper dragon totem half orc barbarian. Will there be substantial changes to these classes with the rework of the dracos?

First, you can still choose to use the existing rules for them, if it becomes an issue. However, ultimately, I don't think the changes are going to be drastic. I bet they're going to add more dragons to the lists for those characters so it isn't so clearly "chromatic vs metallic". At the very least, there should be very similar options you could easily reflavor if it came to it.

You will still be able to use the previous bloodlines, totems ... I believe the new books will simply add the options for the new dragons.

[The Raven Black]

James Jacobs wrote:

magnuskn wrote:

Xethik wrote:

Alaznist was also dealt with prior to Pathfinder 2E despite appearing on the GMG 2e cover, so I'm guessing it will be much the same in this case.

Probably. I may just have some residual saltyness that the writers raised some actual redemption potential with Xanderghul, only to canonically roast his soul upon a spit in the last volume, while Belimarius, who by her attitude alone is much more likely to get killed by player characters, gets to canonically run Edasseril.

Or maybe the plans I've got for Xanderghul kinda needed things to happen they way they did in "Return of the Runelords," and the choices we made in canonizing that Adventure Path are intentional and, maybe, just maybe, setting up something for the future?

This is awesome and reminds me that AP 200 will be a trip down nostalgia lane IIRC.

[James Jacobs]

The Raven Black wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

magnuskn wrote:

Xethik wrote:

Alaznist was also dealt with prior to Pathfinder 2E despite appearing on the GMG 2e cover, so I'm guessing it will be much the same in this case.

Probably. I may just have some residual saltyness that the writers raised some actual redemption potential with Xanderghul, only to canonically roast his soul upon a spit in the last volume, while Belimarius, who by her attitude alone is much more likely to get killed by player characters, gets to canonically run Edasseril.

Or maybe the plans I've got for Xanderghul kinda needed things to happen they way they did in "Return of the Runelords," and the choices we made in canonizing that Adventure Path are intentional and, maybe, just maybe, setting up something for the future?

This is awesome and reminds me that AP 200 will be a trip down nostalgia lane IIRC.

It'll be more than a trip. It'll be a full blown glorious vacation!

At least, I hope that'll be how it feels!

[Kobold Catgirl]

Me, I'm still holding out hope for an AP set in Golarion's past someday. I know that's been firmly nixed on at least one occasion, but it would be so cool.

[FallenDabus]

Sebastian Hirsch wrote:

Sen H.H.S. wrote:

So with all the cool art, I really have got to ask...

Paizo, can we please get a Paizo Art Collection Calendar (maybe for 2024?) at some point? *puppy eyes*

Good idea, but considering the covers.... how about a coloring book?

A book full of concept and design art is something I'd buy in a heartbeat!

[Mr.Beefhead]

Aaron Shanks wrote:

darthtrevino wrote:

Those sketched covers are gorgeous!!

- Will the normal, non-sketch covers be part of the PFS2 core rules subscription?
- Will the sketch-covers include some form of PDF redemption since they're only available in-store?

Q: Will the Pathfinder Second Edition Remaster books be part of my ongoing Pathfinder Rulebooks subscription?

A: Pathfinder Second Edition Remaster books will be included in ongoing Pathfinder Rulebooks subscriptions. We are currently working on a method whereby existing subscribers will have the opportunity to “opt out” of these volumes if they wish and will provide additional details as we get closer to the release of the first two volumes.

Q: Will the sketch-covers include some form of PDF redemption since they're only available in-store?

A: No, PDFs will be sold separately.

Hi Aaron,

Quick follow-up: If I have the Pathfinder Special Edition Rulebook subscription, will these sketch covers be included in my subscription? If so, would I need to wait until the FLGS exclusivity period is over and they're available on paizo.com to ship as part of the SE subscription?

Also: are these in addition to the existing special edition versions of the rulebooks or replacing them?

Thanks!

[Evan Tarlton]

James Jacobs wrote:

magnuskn wrote:

Xethik wrote:

Alaznist was also dealt with prior to Pathfinder 2E despite appearing on the GMG 2e cover, so I'm guessing it will be much the same in this case.

Probably. I may just have some residual saltyness that the writers raised some actual redemption potential with Xanderghul, only to canonically roast his soul upon a spit in the last volume, while Belimarius, who by her attitude alone is much more likely to get killed by player characters, gets to canonically run Edasseril.

Or maybe the plans I've got for Xanderghul kinda needed things to happen they way they did in "Return of the Runelords," and the choices we made in canonizing that Adventure Path are intentional and, maybe, just maybe, setting up something for the future?

He wouldn't be the first Pathfinder villain for whom death was all a part of the plan, nor would he be the first to be killed and then come back. And isn't it convenient that the person who knows him best would be all too willing to play ball?

But to keep this somewhat on topic: those sketch covers look amazing!

[The Diplomat]

James Jacobs wrote:

And we'll continue to have them play roles in Golarion in remastered adventures...

Is Age of Ashes getting a remastering to showcase the new dragons?

[th3razzer]

Anyone have any stores they recommend that would sell these sketch versions? Any that would also ship somewhere? I am overseas, active-duty, and not near a "local game store," but would absolutely love to have the sketch-versions of the core books.

[bugleyman]

Art is (obviously) subjective, but I've never cared for the style of Mr. Reynold's work. Going back as far as the 3E days, it struck me as trying too hard to be xXxtreme!1! -- to the point of being comical. Swords that would weight 100lbs, silly pointy bits everywhere, etc. (And yes, I realize this puts me in a tiny minority in the Pathfinder world, but so be it.)

However, I really like the look of the "sketch" covers, to the point where I think they look better than any of his finished work. I like them so much I'm actually tempted to seek out this version of Player Core, when otherwise I'd just buy it in PDF.

[arcady]

Ah man. I want those sketch covers but I'm a subscriber so I'd be getting the color ones - and if I cancel that to go buy the sketch instead I'd have to come back and buy the PDFs individually.

Got some thinking to do on that.

[Azor Konig]

Didn't see this questioned asked:

Are these the only books that are getting this kind of cover? Just planning ahead...

[krazmuze]

bugleyman wrote:

Art is (obviously) subjective, but I've never cared for the style of Mr. Reynold's work. Going back as far as the 3E days, it struck me as trying too hard to be xXxtreme!1! -- to the point of being comical. Swords that would weight 100lbs, silly pointy bits everywhere, etc. (And yes, I realize this puts me in a tiny minority in the Pathfinder world, but so be it.)

However, I really like the look of the "sketch" covers, to the point where I think they look better than any of his finished work. I like them so much I'm actually tempted to seek out this version of Player Core, when otherwise I'd just buy it in PDF.

Did you get the travel guide? They made his art canon style in certain areas some just like to wear lots of buckles straps and doodads. inception.

I think its funny that artists are seeing more value from unfinished works than finished ones! You can take them to cons, have him hand color and sign for even more value!

[Grizzly]

When do the solicitations for the Sketch versions go out?

I want to hit up my LGS to have them order copies for me but I'm not sure how far before the November release date I need to talk to them.