So, it doesn't matter if your ally is blurred, invisible (but you know what square he's in), if you are blinded, he's in melee, nothing?The specific (Ranged Touch Spells in Combat) doesn't supercede the general (Touch Spells in Combat)?
I've never seen a circumstance where a ranged touch roll is EVER considered automatic, and that's specifically what a Touch ranged spell becomes when modified by Reach Spell.
The feat says that touch spells become "close" spells. I even quoted it.
Nobody has yet to post anything that shows spells a range of "touch " become "ranged touch" spells.
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@DM_Blake - I was assuming a Dhampir PC who is an ally of the caster. If, for whatever reason, the Dhampir hasn't warned the cleric ahead of time not to use cure light, accidents can happen.
I have a negative energy Oracle in PFS. If I don't tell the group, and I get knocked unconscious, well, it's my own fault if they try to heal me back up with Cure spells.
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Cure spells are only touch attacks when used to do damage.
Touch Spells in Combat: Many spells have a range of touch. To use these spells, you cast the spell and then touch the subject. In the same round that you cast the spell, you may also touch (or attempt to touch) as a free action. You may take your move before casting the spell, after touching the target, or between casting the spell and touching the target. You can automatically touch one friend or use the spell on yourself,Basically it is a touch attack when you are trying to touch an opponent. Otherwise it is just a touch spell. There is nothing to support it being a "touch attack" spell when used on an ally.
The bolded part is wrong and only increase the confusion.
Touch Attacks: Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack and therefore does not provoke attacks of opportunity.That is the only difference between "Touch attacks" and "Touch spells".
Invisibility and Mage armor are touch attacks if you cast them on a opponent, even if they help the target. Damaging the target has nothing to do with making it a Touch attack.RAW a ranged touch require a to hit.
That was copied from the PRD. The best argument you can make is the book contradicts itself, but I don't see a contradion. You are just ignoring what you dont like.
edit: I also said "Cure spells", not all touch spells are only touch attacks when they do damage.
As an example I bestow curse is a touch attack, but it does not do damage.
Link the point of the PRD where you have found the text you say you are citing, please.
Or cite the text you are paraphrasing.
That quote was from Combat, Actions in Combat, Standard Actions, Cast a Spell - scroll down a little bit to the header "Touch Spells in Combat".
Cure spells are only touch attacks when used to do damage.
Touch Spells in Combat: Many spells have a range of touch. To use these spells, you cast the spell and then touch the subject. In the same round that you cast the spell, you may also touch (or attempt to touch) as a free action. You may take your move before casting the spell, after touching the target, or between casting the spell and touching the target. You can automatically touch one friend or use the spell on yourself,Basically it is a touch attack when you are trying to touch an opponent. Otherwise it is just a touch spell. There is nothing to support it being a "touch attack" spell when used on an ally.
The bolded part is wrong and only increase the confusion.
Touch Attacks: Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack and therefore does not provoke attacks of opportunity.That is the only difference between "Touch attacks" and "Touch spells".
Invisibility and Mage armor are touch attacks if you cast them on a opponent, even if they help the target. Damaging the target has nothing to do with making it a Touch attack.RAW a ranged touch require a to hit.
That was copied from the PRD. The best argument you can make is the book contradicts itself, but I don't see a contradion. You are just ignoring what you dont like.
edit: I also said "Cure spells", not all touch spells are only touch attacks when they do damage.
As an example I bestow curse is a touch attack, but it does not do damage.
Link the point of the PRD where you have found the text you say you are citing, please.
Or cite the text you are paraphrasing.
Go to combat chapter link on your internet browser. Press "Control + F" to bring up the search function.
Then copy and paste"
"You can automatically touch one friend or use the spell on yourself, but to touch an opponent, you must succeed on an attack roll."
without the quotations and it will take you straight to it.
I would link you to the "Touch spell in combat", but I don't know how to link to specific part of the page.
I have also provided a link to screenshot via dropbox.
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Only because I'm such a swell guy. ;)
If it's bolded, you should be able to link to it. After the general page url, enter # followed by the bolded text with different words separated by hyphens.
Or you can search "touch spells in combat" in the PRD search function, follow the link and copy pasta the url (assuming you searched a thing that links to a heading of course).
I agree with everything DM Blake is saying
Cure spells do not normally require an attack roll at all to heal an ally, so when you use reach spell with it they don't require a ranged attack roll either.
I had forgotten about this thread already. I'm glad you quoted this Kinevon because this is exactly the kind of precedent that I needed to see to bring my way of thinking around to how they intended it to work. It removes the last bit of doubt I had over it.
Thanks to all who took the time to reply.
Maybe you should consider how the feat Channel Ray changes Channel Energy, and the words in that feat, as most of them would also be applicable to a Reach modified Cure X Wounds spell:
Channel Ray
You can focus your channeled energy on a single target.
Prerequisite: Channel energy class feature.
Benefit: When you channel energy, you can project a ray from your holy symbol instead of creating a burst. You must succeed at a ranged touch attack to hit an unwilling target; your target is then affected by the channeled energy as normal and receives a saving throw. You need not make an attack roll to affect a willing creature with the ray. The ray has a range of 30 feet per channel energy die, and its save DC is increased by 2.I mention this because changing a touch spell into a ranged touch spell would seem to carry the same proviso.
Would you require a caster using Reach Spell on Fly to need to make a ranged touch attack on his ally that is not adjacent to him to affect them?