Arcane Bond

[andreww]

I have been wondering recently about how arcane bond works specifically in relation to PFS. I am familiar with the FAQ but I was thinking about how this related to the retraining rules.

Lets say that I start out as a wizard with Arcane Bond with an ordinary non magical ring. I get to level 7 and decide to enchant it, lets say we make it a +2 ring of protection. This costs me 4000gp.

I then decide to retrain to a familiar. This costs me 250gp and 5 prestige. What happens to the ring? I have lost the class feature but the physical object remains. It no longer works as a bonded object but it is still an enchanted magical item. Does it:

1. Cease to exist full stop
2. Cease to work as a magical item
3. Continue to function but I have to pay the cost difference
4. Continue to function normally
5. Some other option I haven't considered

[Nefreet]

Arcane Bond wrote:

If a bonded object's owner dies, or the item is replaced, the object reverts to being an ordinary masterwork item of the appropriate type.

You're essentially left with an expensive piece of jewelry.

[Azothath]

you pay the gold and prestige to retrain. The bonded object ring is now a non-magical masterwork object worth half of what you paid for it(I suspect $0/2 =0), and the $4000 that went into the ring is lost.

I believe you could upgrade the ring to a full +2 ring of protection at $8000. Then when you retrain it would still be magical and worth $8000/2 if you were to sell it. There's no rule that says you can't use a full priced item as a bonded object.

[leonvios]

could you potentially start as human with a bonded object, take iron will and familiar bond to have both at level 1? in all honesty with this in mind you get alertness,a familiar and iron will all at level one which is not half bad if you ask me if its legal that is XD.

[Nefreet]

Familiar Bond, in case others are curious.

Seems legit to me.

[Gisher]

Nefreet wrote:

Familiar Bond, in case others are curious.

Seems legit to me.

Really? I didn't think you could have both a Bonded Object and a Familiar at the same time.

[Nefreet]

All of the rules I'm aware of state that you can't have two familiars.

Arcane casters aren't my forte, though, so I may be mistaken.

[Gisher]

Familiar Bond says "You gain a familiar, as the wizard arcane bond class feature," and I thought there was a rule stating that you can only have one Arcane Bond. I can't find it now though so maybe my memory is just playing tricks.

[Pirate Rob]

Gisher wrote:

Familiar Bond says "You gain a familiar, as the wizard arcane bond class feature," and I thought there was a rule stating that you can only have one Arcane Bond. I can't find it now though so maybe my memory is just playing tricks.

The Sorcerer Arcane Bloodline specifically says "This ability does not allow you to have both a familiar and a bonded item."

I believe several other options that give you an arcane bond also have that text. However I do not believe there is a universal rule preventing one from having both.

[Gisher]

Robert Hetherington wrote:

Gisher wrote:

Familiar Bond says "You gain a familiar, as the wizard arcane bond class feature," and I thought there was a rule stating that you can only have one Arcane Bond. I can't find it now though so maybe my memory is just playing tricks.

The Sorcerer Arcane Bloodline specifically says "This ability does not allow you to have both a familiar and a bonded item."

I believe several other options that give you an arcane bond also have that text. However I do not believe there is a universal rule preventing one from having both.

That's probably how the idea got stuck in my head. Thanks. :)

[leonvios]

Also take an elemental school which means you only take only one opposing school then take the discovery that let's you use one opposing school which gives you a true universal wizard.