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Approximately 151,600 people die every day. I'm sure there are some who died today that I would miss less than Scalia, but I don't know of any.

The political effects will be interesting. Starting with what happens with any cases in progress in which he held a deciding vote. And then what happens with the nomination of his successor.

It's been a long time since a Justice died in office (1954, apparently) and it will be interesting to see if the Senate is willing to hold off a replacement for a full year, in the hopes of a Republican in the White House.


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thejeff wrote:

Approximately 151,600 people die every day. I'm sure there are some who died today that I would miss less than Scalia, but I don't know of any.

The political effects will be interesting. Starting with what happens with any cases in progress in which he held a deciding vote. And then what happens with the nomination of his successor.

It's been a long time since a Justice died in office (1954, apparently) and it will be interesting to see if the Senate is willing to hold off a replacement for a full year, in the hopes of a Republican in the White House.

indeed, this is the part of it that I am most interested in.

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thejeff wrote:
That was 10 years ago. Things have gotten much worse since then.

But simultaneously better. The dichotomy has sharpened.

I realized not too long after 2012 that 2016 will be for all the marbles - the system's final chance to prove it can still work.

Liberty's Edge

Freehold DM wrote:
thejeff wrote:

Approximately 151,600 people die every day. I'm sure there are some who died today that I would miss less than Scalia, but I don't know of any.

The political effects will be interesting. Starting with what happens with any cases in progress in which he held a deciding vote. And then what happens with the nomination of his successor.

It's been a long time since a Justice died in office (1954, apparently) and it will be interesting to see if the Senate is willing to hold off a replacement for a full year, in the hopes of a Republican in the White House.

indeed, this is the part of it that I am most interested in.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the Senate won't confirm anyone until after the election.


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Krensky wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
thejeff wrote:

Approximately 151,600 people die every day. I'm sure there are some who died today that I would miss less than Scalia, but I don't know of any.

The political effects will be interesting. Starting with what happens with any cases in progress in which he held a deciding vote. And then what happens with the nomination of his successor.

It's been a long time since a Justice died in office (1954, apparently) and it will be interesting to see if the Senate is willing to hold off a replacement for a full year, in the hopes of a Republican in the White House.

indeed, this is the part of it that I am most interested in.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Senate won't confirm anyone until after the election.

We'll see. They certainly won't be happy about it.

Obama has said he will make a nomination.

Theoretically, McConnell can just not schedule a vote. That's a pretty blatant move.
More likely, they'll try to filibuster or just vote down the candidate. Which is where it gets interesting - if Obama nominates an older fairly moderate candidate will some Senators decide to cut their losses rather than risk a President Clinton (or Sanders!) nominating a younger more liberal Justice?
And of course, the picture changes as the prospects for the election change and with the public perception of the Senate's inaction.

Near as I can tell the longest nomination process was for Justice Brandeis - 125 days. There have been longer vacancies, but the nominations were actually voted on and rejected or they were withdrawn. If Obama nominates relatively soon and the Senate simply doesn't act on it, that would be completely unprecedented.


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Krensky wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
thejeff wrote:

Approximately 151,600 people die every day. I'm sure there are some who died today that I would miss less than Scalia, but I don't know of any.

The political effects will be interesting. Starting with what happens with any cases in progress in which he held a deciding vote. And then what happens with the nomination of his successor.

It's been a long time since a Justice died in office (1954, apparently) and it will be interesting to see if the Senate is willing to hold off a replacement for a full year, in the hopes of a Republican in the White House.

indeed, this is the part of it that I am most interested in.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Senate won't confirm anyone until after the election.

I heard a somewhat delightful "worst case scenario" for a Senate that tries to hold things up.

Obama is trained in constitutional law. If Bernie or Hillary become president . . .

;D


Clinton is a lawyer as well. I'm not sure about Sanders?


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Krensky wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
thejeff wrote:

Approximately 151,600 people die every day. I'm sure there are some who died today that I would miss less than Scalia, but I don't know of any.

The political effects will be interesting. Starting with what happens with any cases in progress in which he held a deciding vote. And then what happens with the nomination of his successor.

It's been a long time since a Justice died in office (1954, apparently) and it will be interesting to see if the Senate is willing to hold off a replacement for a full year, in the hopes of a Republican in the White House.

indeed, this is the part of it that I am most interested in.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Senate won't confirm anyone until after the election.

I heard a somewhat delightful "worst case scenario" for a Senate that tries to hold things up.

Obama is trained in constitutional law. If Bernie or Hillary become president . . .

;D

In theory, a Republican controlled Senate could just refuse to vote to confirm any nominee indefinitely. The only consequences would be political.


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Yeah, which is why delaying it is a gamble. Like thejeff said—they can hold out for a Republican president, but if they do poorly in this election, they could end up with someone worse.

The smart thing to do would be to accept a relatively moderate option now. But that is very hard to accept.


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Regardless of anything else, here's my takeaway:

- basic human decency -

Please afford this to everyone, living or dead.

There are people that care about everyone. You respect their mourning and respect them. If the dead can feel nothing, those who cared can still feel things, and taunting the dead is rude and disrespectful to those living.

Importantly, you are not required to change your views on the person that has died. If you hated them before, you are not required to alter that. Simply give those who grieve a time of respect.

Simultaneously, just because someone has died, does not suddenly validate their beliefs, work, or attempts, nor does it invalidate it. They were the person that they were; those who agree with them are people, and those who disagree with them are people. Afford everyone basic human decency, and honor them as living people with the ability to think and choose things differently than you.

You disagree? Go right ahead.

You wish to celebrate? Sure, why not.

Doing so publicly? Rude and cruel. Please don't.

Liberty's Edge

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Rest in Peace, Justice Scalia. Thank you for your years of service to the people of the United States, and to your devotion to the nation's Constitution.


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I think Tacticslion hit the nail on the head, and allows for an important variation: If you're talking to people who are not upset about it, you are under no inherent obligation to show "respect". But if you're around people who are (like being on a public forum), you are. It's not about being respectful to the dead—they aren't listening to you. It's about being respectful to the living.

And you know, it's not black and white. It's one thing to say a simple, "I'm not sorry he's gone." It's one thing to continue critiquing the person after their death, or to immediately begin speculating on the practical ramifications of the death. That is, in my view, fine.

Stuff like what happened with Thatcher, or here, can really go way beyond that.

Basically, if you would get your post deleted for saying it to a poster, you shouldn't be saying it in public about someone who just died. That includes expressions of glee about their death.


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"This news comes as a shock to many, including myself. To his friends, colleagues and family, my condolences."
- George Takei

Stay classy, folks.


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Kryzbyn wrote:

"This news comes as a shock to many, including myself. To his friends, colleagues and family, my condolences."

- George Takei

Stay classy, folks.

Very few people in this world are as noble as George Takei. I don't count myself as one of them.

Remember that, as a Supreme Court Justice, it's functionally impossible for the harm that Scalia has done during his tenure to be stopped until his death. We celebrate his demise the same way we'd celebrate a particularly awful senator being booted out of office.


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Arachnofiend wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:

"This news comes as a shock to many, including myself. To his friends, colleagues and family, my condolences."

- George Takei

Stay classy, folks.

Very few people in this world are as noble as George Takei. I don't count myself as one of them.

Certainly nothing to strive for, obviously.


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I won't miss him. Most of my family and friends will likewise shed no tears over this news.

Others will.

All I have to say on the subject.


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If everyone's as forgiving as Takei nothing gets done; anger has always been necessary to push forth progress.

Martin Luther King (yeah, that one) wrote:
A riot is the language of the unheard.


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I will say that I'm glad this thread was made. It's made for a stimulating and enjoyable philosophical discussion. I don't agree with the OP (or really most anybody, it seems), but I've valued being able to hear different ideas on death and respect.

Frankly, it's the best thing you could hope for in a thread about someone with so unpleasant a record.

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Locking. Folks, we're not particularly comfortable hosting threads advocating/celebrating the death of anyone on our site. If you have questions or feedback about this decision, you may contact community@paizo.com and we'll address it when we're back in the office. We also ask that people avoid reviving years old threads with feedback, as it only serves to bait for further heated arguments and drama.

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Removed some posts and their responses. Whatever your beliefs, the behavior exhibited in the removed posts in this thread is not cool and not productive to any sort of meaningful discussion on US politics. If you want to continue the discussion on who might be appointed as Scalia's replacement, you may continue to do so in a new thread, but in the end, I would recommend that your political viewpoints be expressed where they ultimately count: in the voting booth.
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