Unchained Monk: Typing for Qinggong Ki Powers


Rules Questions


If an Unchained Monk takes this ki power:

Unchained wrote:


Qinggong Power (Su): A monk with this power selects any of the qinggong monk ki powers for which he qualifies based on his monk level. A monk can select this ability multiple times. Each time, he must select a different qinggong monk ki power.

And say, from there they take Cloak of Winds, which under the original Qinggong list is a SLA, is Cloak of Winds then a SU under the Unchained, or a SLA as under the original?

The Qinggong list contains this clarification, which Unchained Monk seems to lack...but references it indirectly/indirectly?

Qinggong wrote:


Feats: These ki powers duplicate the effects of specific feats. A monk does not need to qualify for a feat to select it as a ki power. For example, a qinggong monk can select Spring Attack as a ki power even if she doesn’t meet the prerequisites for selecting Spring Attack as a feat. Activating one of these ki powers is a free action on the monk’s turn; until the start of her next turn, the monk is treated as if she had that feat. Some of these ki powers that duplicate feats may also be activated as an immediate action; these powers are noted in the ki powers list.

Monk Abilities: Some ki powers are standard monk abilities. Even if a qinggong monk selects a different ki power in place of a standard monk ability, she can select that monk ability later as one of her ki powers.

Spells: These ki powers duplicate the effects of a spell, and are spell-like abilities. A qinggong monk’s class level is the caster level for these spell-like abilities, and she uses Wisdom to determine her concentration check bonus.

Is there a part I am missing? How do we type these Qinggong powers for an Unchained Monk?


SquirrelyOgre wrote:

If an Unchained Monk takes this ki power:

Unchained wrote:


Qinggong Power (Su): A monk with this power selects any of the qinggong monk ki powers for which he qualifies based on his monk level. A monk can select this ability multiple times. Each time, he must select a different qinggong monk ki power.

And say, from there they take Cloak of Winds, which under the original Qinggong list is a SLA, is Cloak of Winds then a SU under the Unchained, or a SLA as under the original?

The Qinggong list contains this clarification, which Unchained Monk seems to lack...but references it indirectly/indirectly?

Qinggong wrote:


Feats: These ki powers duplicate the effects of specific feats. A monk does not need to qualify for a feat to select it as a ki power. For example, a qinggong monk can select Spring Attack as a ki power even if she doesn’t meet the prerequisites for selecting Spring Attack as a feat. Activating one of these ki powers is a free action on the monk’s turn; until the start of her next turn, the monk is treated as if she had that feat. Some of these ki powers that duplicate feats may also be activated as an immediate action; these powers are noted in the ki powers list.

Monk Abilities: Some ki powers are standard monk abilities. Even if a qinggong monk selects a different ki power in place of a standard monk ability, she can select that monk ability later as one of her ki powers.

Spells: These ki powers duplicate the effects of a spell, and are spell-like abilities. A qinggong monk’s class level is the caster level for these spell-like abilities, and she uses Wisdom to determine her concentration check bonus.

Is there a part I am missing? How do we type these Qinggong powers for an Unchained Monk?

Bump!


The way I see it: The "Qinggong Power" is supernatural - that doesn't mean the "qinggong monk ki power" it allows you to select is. The rules for these ki powers are taken from the archetype, and I see no wording that changes that.

Scarab Sages

The SU ability allows you to take a SP qinggong power. The power you take still counts as SP, because it uses the rules of the qinggong monk.

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