Exactly what kind of weapons can be summoned using Ancestral Weapon?


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The Ancestor Mystery for the Oracle class is full of awesome and flavorful abilities, and one such ability is Ancestral Weapon.

Ancestral Weapon:
Ancestral Weapon (Su): You can summon a simple or martial weapon from your family’s history that is appropriate for your current size. You are considered proficient with this weapon. At 3rd level, the weapon is considered masterwork. At 7th level, 15th level, and 19th level, the weapon gains a cumulative +1 enhancement bonus. At 11th level, the weapon gains the ghost touch weapon property. You can use this ability for a number of minutes per day equal to your oracle level. This duration does not need to be consecutive, but it must be used in 1-minute increments. The weapon disappears after 1 round if it leaves your grasp.

But I have a few questions:
Can Ancestral Weapon be used to summon different kinds of weapons? Say my family is made of a long line of heavily versatile fighters; can I summon a different weapon every time I use the ability? Or after the first weapon is selected, is that the only one I can summon?

What about ammunition? Pathfinder is kind of light in the "magically summoned weapons" field, so I don't have a great frame of reference. Personally, I would assume that ammunition is sold separately.

Is there a gold value limit? Say I wanted to summon a Composite Longbow with a +2 Strength Rating, because that's what my great-great-granddaddy used to slay orcs back in the day. Can I summon one? What if he used a +2 Strength Rating, but I'm only strong enough to accurately wield a +1? Can I summon a +1 for now, and then a +2 later?

Any thoughts or opinions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance.
edit: I didn't specify it was a +2 strength rating


I can't help you on number of types of weapon, but it looks like your Enhancement Bonus is determined by your effective Oracle level for this Revelation, and your ancestors' weapon tradition only determines the base weapon type.


Whoops, meant to say that it was a Strength rating, not an enhancement bonus. Sorry, fixed it now.


Anyone know what sort of action it would be as well? It's not specified in the ability description.


Action type is standard unless stated otherwise.

There is no specific restriction on the number of weapons, and I doubt your ancestors all used the same weapon, so I'm reasonably confident no restrictions apply. There is no gold limit, so strength rating shouldn't be an issue, but special materials are not available, they would need to be specifically permitted.

ammunition is not a weapon.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber

Given that this ability does not include the style of language like "once chosen, this may not be changed" that is present for so many abilities that cannot later be changed, I am inclined to go with the idea that you do get to pick it with every use. However, the language is a ambiguous, and my first thought on reading it was that it was a singular option, not a variety.

I agree that ammunition is sold separately. Just like batteries.

I would suggest that you can no more customize the weapon by having it with a strength rating for a bow than you can customize it by having it made from cold iron, or mithral. In this case, what is not stated is (most likely) prohibited.

However, as always, get a final ruling from your game master.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens Subscriber

Expect table variation, but I'd rule composite bows one of two ways: +1 maximum or always the highest you can draw.


dragonhunterq said wrote:
Action type is standard unless stated otherwise.

Ah, yes, thank you. Should have known.

I generally agree with you guys, I would think that several weapon types should be available, especially with the lack of wording to the contrary. Thank you all for the replies!


A reasonable compromise might be highest Strength rating is equal to the highest Enhancement Bonus your Revelation will let you have, up to the highest you can draw. Still a house ruling, though.

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