Yet another Improved Natural Attack question


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Dark Archive

Does anyone know if Improved Natural Attack works with a kineticist's blasts? I've been combing my books and Paizo since I noticed Hero Lab is allowing that, but still haven't really found an answer either way.

Grand Lodge

It shouldn't. Blasts aren't natural weapons.


Hero Lab is not a rules resource. Spell-like abilities aren't natural attacks.

Dark Archive

The ambiguity stems from the fact kinetic blasts ARE counted as a weapon for weapon focus, and could be considered 'natural' for a kineticist. Still, I'd like to know for sure. If it does work, interesting option opened. If not, I'd want to know before a player tries it.

Dark Archive

Calth wrote:
Hero Lab is not a rules resource. Spell-like abilities aren't natural attacks.

Well aware of HL not being a rules source, hence why I've been combing my books and Paizo to find out if this is an error or not. I can see the argument for why it'd be allowed, but also see why it wouldn't be. I want to know for sure.


For sure it's not a natural attack regardless of of how innate it is for a kineticist.

Grand Lodge

It's no more "natural" for a Kineticist than Fireball is for a Sorcerer.

Dark Archive

Then I should report that interaction. Good to know.

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