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Contributor—Canadian Maplecakes

Esquizo wrote:
Yhean ... One thing is try to redeem someone but let a group of souless bastards to kill all your Friends ? Well poor Oppian ,i kind felt bad when i was reading the letter he made saying he deserve to die.

... but you killed him anyways, right? :)


Thurston Hillman wrote:
Esquizo wrote:
Yhean ... One thing is try to redeem someone but let a group of souless bastards to kill all your Friends ? Well poor Oppian ,i kind felt bad when i was reading the letter he made saying he deserve to die.
... but you killed him anyways, right? :)

not me but i'm sure that my players Will do it ... And they Will have alot of fun with it . Just for curiosity HIllman , Does the female archon has some romantics feelings for Oppian?

Contributor—Canadian Maplecakes

Esquizo wrote:
. Just for curiosity HIllman , Does the female archon has some romantics feelings for Oppian?

I would say that the archon doesn't have any romantic interest in Oppian. Their relationship is based on duty and honor, as the archon is a divine agent sent by Iomedae to assist in keeping Oppian—Kantaria's stabilizing force—protected.

The PCs could likely perceive the archon as having a 'romantic' interest, but I don't think it'd be a correct assumption. Admittedly, depending on the interactions, it could be interesting to play a rivalry between Loredana and Mindaliel. To outsiders it might appear to be jealousy, but in truth it would be the dogged devotion of the archon to keep Oppian away from corrupting influences.

Well, just my 2 cents anyways! :)


My group is still early in this book, having just finished the brunch (Event 1), but my Oppian is already suspicious. He mentions being ever vigilant for the inevitable retaliation.

But he worships a Lawful Good diety. It seems somewhat obvious to him that the PCs are Thrune agents, but he needs proof. I play up his feelings of inadequacy as a ruler. He feels that simply arresting people on a hunch would undo any positive feelings the people of Kantaria have for the GR.

So, he waits for them to strike. Once things are obviously going bad, he can justify the spy archons. As the city descends into chaos and his friends die around him, that insecurity keeps him from making the right choice.

I mean, the last time he made tbe right choice, he killed his best friend.

Combine that with characters like Kalcyra and Faydreth being quite forceful and antagonistic. I'll have them curse Oppian for not arresting them when he had the chance.


I was wondering whether anyone had run this without the meeting of the council members at the start? Rather than a meal something else, either chance encounters or simply rumours allowing PCs to pick who they went to see?


Black_Cat wrote:
I was wondering whether anyone had run this without the meeting of the council members at the start? Rather than a meal something else, either chance encounters or simply rumours allowing PCs to pick who they went to see?

yeah, I decided to skip the initial brunch meeting, it just felt kind of forced. I had Oppian stop by the Little Uskwood later that day and apologize for having to cancel their meeting, but he had an urgent matter to attend.

Then I basically had Loredana give them the run down about some prominent people in town, fed them a couple of the rumors and let them be on their way. I also decided that the first day in town was Oathday, so they went to the market and ended up meeting several of the council member NPCs. Faydreth Zaine was the only one they didn't meet, but they took care of that last night when they tried to steal some books from the hall library and triggered the fireball trap at like 10am...


I have come to about the same conclusion. My group will be starting the book this weekend, and they're not exactly the Blend In type. We're talking a hobgoblin, tiefling, catfolk, a freaking dhamphir, and a human. And none of them are exactly the Face, skill-wise. So, yeah being invited to a very High Society type event their first day, that would not go well for anyone involved!

My plan is similar to Two Headed Snake's: They'll get some free rumors and names from Loredana, do the halfling slave quest, and then I'll let them venture into town to meet some of the NPCs and get themselves into trouble.

However, my group has been surprising me with some of their plans and actions in the first book, so I am curious to see how it plays out. I'm hoping for some good Yojimbo/Fist Full of Dollars playing all sides kind of action, but I fear it's going to be more of a "Whaddya mean you think Thrune sent us?!" as weapons are drawn and Initiatives are rolled at every other encounter...could be fun watching them have to clean up their messes before people catch on to them though.


I'm pleased it wasn't just me who was worried about that meal! I like the idea of having Oppan drop in then send them out into the world to meet some of the people themselves. It's a little less forced and gives them the choice who to go after.


Black_Cat wrote:
I'm pleased it wasn't just me who was worried about that meal! I like the idea of having Oppan drop in then send them out into the world to meet some of the people themselves. It's a little less forced and gives them the choice who to go after.

Yeah it's worked pretty well, and it more or less forced them to engage the NPCs and to think on their feet during a chance meeting.

Liberty's Edge

The PCs have messed up royally. The whole town is under martial law now looking for them.

Oppian is about to personally read one of the PCs' rights and arrest him.

I'm thinking something along the lines of "in the name of the Glorious Reclamation, you are under arrest..."

Any suggestions on wording? :)

Contributor—Canadian Maplecakes

Chaine "The Butcher" Alazario wrote:

The PCs have messed up royally. The whole town is under martial law now looking for them.

Oppian is about to personally read one of the PCs' rights and arrest him.

I'm thinking something along the lines of "in the name of the Glorious Reclamation, you are under arrest..."

Any suggestions on wording? :)

Well, it would depend on a few things.

1) Are the PCs holed up in Loredana's inn? If so, it might work best to NOT have Oppian show up. Since he'd probably not want to make himself seem like the bad (err.... good) guy around Loredana. Instead, Oppian might send a detachment of Glorious Reclamation soldiers to apprehend the PCs. Perhaps including Kalcyra the Just, and the Hircaprath. This should give the PCs a chance to fight their would-be captors, but leave the end of the scenario intact.

2) If Oppian does approach the inn himself, then I'd probably have him decry the PCs actions, ALA 'reading them their rights'. I'd use Loredana as a distraction, possibly having her buy the PCs a chance to escape. Depending on their relationship with the local citizens, this might be a chance for the loyal Imperial citizens to rise up, or for the PCs to flee into the nearby wilderness and prepare a more guerrilla campaign. If the PCs do retreat... they can always ally with the myceloids and make a suitably horrific fungal-infected army.

Anyway, those are just some thoughts that came to mind! :)

Liberty's Edge

A PC had an affair with Loredana and made sure Oppian learned of it. Loredana told Oppian she was seduced by magic and Oppian forgave her. With their covers blown, one of the PCs assumed a new cover id with his massive disguise mod. The others are hiding in a farm ditch covered in cow, pig and horse manure. The one PC getting arrested will be transfered to hardships heart.


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My PC's also were pretty close to getting caught - the two Spyglass Archons happened to be trailing them when they decided to burn down the docks. Even then, they remembered and decided to use Jana's get-out-of-jail-free card and they decided to leave town for a bit, messing around in the Blooming Caves and setting up deals with the Faceless Stalkers.

If the player of that PC is going to be absent next session, then you have a nice little jail break storyline, but it will be boring for him to have to be out of the story for so long - at least until the rest of the party breaks him out again.

What despair rating has your party hit?

Liberty's Edge

Low, probably just around 15 or so at this point... but they went straight to the manor to take on the wizard and failed... and the wizard escaped and told Oppian the whole party are agents of thrune (they triggered the agents of thrune trap)

Oppian emptied the keep and instituted curfew/martial law. Paladins and walking the streets and detecting evil wherever they go.

So I think I can indirectly trigger 'high despair' encounters at this point. Sending the spyglass archons and the big holy bull is only logical a this point as there are 5 fugitives on the loose! :)


Chaine "The Butcher" Alazario wrote:

Low, probably just around 15 or so at this point... but they went straight to the manor to take on the wizard and failed... and the wizard escaped and told Oppian the whole party are agents of thrune (they triggered the agents of thrune trap)

Oppian emptied the keep and instituted curfew/martial law. Paladins and walking the streets and detecting evil wherever they go.

So I think I can indirectly trigger 'high despair' encounters at this point. Sending the spyglass archons and the big holy bull is only logical a this point as there are 5 fugitives on the loose! :)

really? emptied the keep? that seems a bit unwise...lol

Liberty's Edge

So to speak... ;)

I must tell though, it's fun as Hell to have the bad guys run in cornfields to avoid paladins and archons... :)


Has anyone run the final assault on Valor's Fastness? It's coming up quick, maybe even next session and I'm a bit concerned.

My party is ridiculously strong, and they have a habit of steamrolling encounters. They finally told me to stop pulling any punches whatsoever and just let em have it...and now I feel like I'll probably TPK over the course of the final assault...that run is f!$+in scary! As much as I want to stop these thrune-licking scumbags, I don't wanna kill all my friends! haha, any input?


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Two Headed Snake wrote:
Has anyone run the final assault on Valor's Fastness? It's coming up quick, maybe even next session and I'm a bit concerned.

My group starts on it tonight! Start listening for the death cries of villainous PCs around 6:30pm CST!

The group, consisting of a human Insinuator Antipaladin, human Infernal Binder Wizard, human Arcanist, and an ifrit Pyrokineticist, and they're all pretty scared to take on Valor's Fastness. I *think* they can handle it, but I'm a worried about it too. This group has already had 2 near-TPK's (only the wizard has lived through both) and they're not set up to use the typical kick-down-the-door style tactics.

Scarab Sages

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Any thoughts about the two Foo Lions at area H14 in Valor's Fastness? They're two large creatures in a narrow hallway (pretending to be statues). How does that work? I'm thinking of applying the Young Template to them, possibly adding a 3rd one to balance out the EL.


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SerGalahad wrote:
Two Headed Snake wrote:
Has anyone run the final assault on Valor's Fastness? It's coming up quick, maybe even next session and I'm a bit concerned.

My group starts on it tonight! Start listening for the death cries of villainous PCs around 6:30pm CST!

The group, consisting of a human Insinuator Antipaladin, human Infernal Binder Wizard, human Arcanist, and an ifrit Pyrokineticist, and they're all pretty scared to take on Valor's Fastness. I *think* they can handle it, but I'm a worried about it too. This group has already had 2 near-TPK's (only the wizard has lived through both) and they're not set up to use the typical kick-down-the-door style tactics.

How did your group do? Mine will start on Valor's Fastness at our next session in a month or so.


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xrayregime wrote:
How did your group do? Mine will start on Valor's Fastness at our next session in a month or so.

Overall, I'd say it went good. They decided to attack at night (wise decision) but then realized that most of the group couldn't climb the wall, including the antipaladin. They did come up with the idea to have the arcanist use his dimensional slide exploit to teleport to the top of the wall and tie a rope off there, but then for some reason dismissed that idea. Instead, they tried a frontal assault on the main gate. The group used the Discord Bottle from earlier in the adventure, figuring the gasses could reach the guards in the guard towers that flanked the gate. All the guards rolled their Fort save. :/ A few other hi-jinks and miscommunications happened and the (pyro)kineticist decided to fire blast the gates down.

The guards let loose their arrows and the party's wizard began to summon a whole bunch of lemure demons into both towers. After smashing down the gate, finally, they all charged into the courtyard, only to be met by Exemplar. The kineticist was the only one affected by the dog's howl and fled for 7 rounds (the rest of the fight). The arcanist took a bite from the dog and decided it would be wiser to withdraw, so he did. The antipaladin tried to fight the dog and the wizard failed his Knowledge check to figure out what Exemplar really was. The summoned devils took on the guards in the towers.

Eventually the wizard decided to retreat but the antipaladin wanted to still fight the dog. After taking a critical bite, the antipaladin was down to a Wis of 3 (after all the Wisdom damage) and withdrew as well. They fled back into the night.

The group was rather disappointed - I think they thought they could make it farther into Valor's Fastness - but I told them no PC character died, they learned some valuable intel, and they whittled away at the defenders of the temple. They might have to do a few more hit and runs before they can make it further inside.


Brutal! My group also seems to think they can just barrel their way into and through the fortress...i am far from convinced.

Right now they are: Human cardcaster Magus, Goblin strangler Brawler, Drow Gingerbread Witch, Dwarf toxicant Alchemist, Human Asmodean advocate Cleric, and i just killed the Half-orc iron tyrant Antipaladin. He will be coming back as an Elf Skirmisher Ranger.

Everyone is pretty optimized, but I've been using the simple advanced template (+2 to all rolls and +4 to AC + CMD) and i think i might wip em


So things were going ok, they were keeping their heads down and doing a little digging... One of them has got into Jara's "good books", they'd found the smithy, they debated disrupting the market (and decided not to) and generally did some investigating. It was good.

Then the Cleric of Asmodeus said he wanted to visit the new temple to Torag.

Then he made me think on my feet (a lot) as he challenged their decisions and rights around repurposing the site from Asmodeus to Torag. Then he demanded to serve the religious rights of the prisoners in Hardship's Hearth. It was quite brilliant as he's scoped out the area and I couldn't think of a reason why they wouldn't let him.

Anyway, now I'm wondering how much he (and they) are going to be under suspicion. It's very early days so I don't want to hamper them and spoil the story too much. I also worked in someone else's idea of having another group running interference, so that group could do something drastic to distract Oppian...

Anyway - anyone got any ideas how I can move this forward? I'm relatively new to GMing still so these sorts of things take a while for me to work through still!


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Black_Cat wrote:

So things were going ok, they were keeping their heads down and doing a little digging... One of them has got into Jara's "good books", they'd found the smithy, they debated disrupting the market (and decided not to) and generally did some investigating. It was good.

Then the Cleric of Asmodeus said he wanted to visit the new temple to Torag.

Then he made me think on my feet (a lot) as he challenged their decisions and rights around repurposing the site from Asmodeus to Torag. Then he demanded to serve the religious rights of the prisoners in Hardship's Hearth. It was quite brilliant as he's scoped out the area and I couldn't think of a reason why they wouldn't let him.

Anyway, now I'm wondering how much he (and they) are going to be under suspicion. It's very early days so I don't want to hamper them and spoil the story too much. I also worked in someone else's idea of having another group running interference, so that group could do something drastic to distract Oppian...

Anyway - anyone got any ideas how I can move this forward? I'm relatively new to GMing still so these sorts of things take a while for me to work through still!

My group was also unhappy with the presence of the Shrine of the Hammer, and went to investigate it. They ended up being questioned by Kalcyra, the dwarf inquisitor and it eventually led to combat. If they've already headed to the temple and questioned its provenance, it should be a simple task for Kalcyra to return to town, and mount a public inquisition of the party. Depending on how much your party likes combat vs. roleplay, you could either have it resolved by combat, or by a social skills event. The book specifically calls out Kalcyra's no-nonsense attitude, so if her church is being questioned by some newcomers in town, I'm sure she'd have a strong and swift response to that.


xrayregime wrote:


My group was also unhappy with the presence of the Shrine of the Hammer, and went to investigate it. They ended up being questioned by Kalcyra, the dwarf inquisitor and it eventually led to combat. If they've already headed to the temple and questioned its provenance, it should be a simple task for Kalcyra to return to town, and mount a public inquisition of the party. Depending on how much your party likes combat vs. roleplay, you could either have it resolved by combat, or by a social skills event. The book specifically calls out Kalcyra's no-nonsense attitude, so if her church is being questioned by some newcomers in town, I'm sure she'd have a strong and swift response to that.

What sorts of things do you think she'd say...? This particular player is so good at thinking on his feet, so I get outmatched sometimes when the characters wouldn't. I'm trying to get prepared for another good-natured run-in ;)


I'm flabbergasted by my party. They have taken the train right off the track, and stole a few rails too. After about a week of blending in, getting intel, and spreading their own rumors of thrune taking back the town, they unleashed a blitz attack. Taking the prison, arming the prisoners, taking all 3 guard towers and further arming the prisoners while calling on thrune loyalists to join the fight, burning the docks, and assaulting faydreth's manor between midnight and 6am.

They have actually taken two thirds of the town and raised their own militia and now they want mass combat haha.

so I'm giving it to them. I've already decided I have to scale this down to days instead of months, and I'm adjusting troop numbers to better reflect urban warfare. My biggest concern is how to handle numbers. I'm not quite sure how many glorious reclamation soldiers exist, or what percentage of the population is loyal. It'll be a fun challenge to homebrew and everyone is loving this idea that the antipaladin is leading a ragtag militia now, but numbers are a messy messy thing. any suggestions?


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Black_Cat wrote:
What sorts of things do you think she'd say...? This particular player is so good at thinking on his feet, so I get outmatched sometimes when the characters wouldn't. I'm trying to get prepared for another good-natured run-in ;)

If she was going to actually talk to them, she might mention things like entropy, economic philosophies, how Asmodeus' stock in town is on the decline, and it is only by the divine presence of the Glorious Reclamation that Cheliax can move forward. Abadar is all about progress and trade, and she must have some feeling that the GR is going to help her god accomplish those things within Cheliax.

However, I think she's much more likely to mount an offensive against the group after they questioned her new temple. The enemies (good guys) that are affiliated with the GR all have major weaknesses. Hers might be the fact that she backed the wrong horse, and maybe Abadar would rather his inquisitors stay out of this situation - after all, worship of Abadar is allowed by the Thrunes - but it's too late now - her stubbornness will lead to her downfall.


Lovely, thank you!


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So my group starts Valor's Fastness this month. For area H23, the trap says that it is triggered once someone steps into the area from the staircase, but the trap area is in the middle of the room according to the map. Based on the stats, I think it's supposed to trigger as an immediate action, so I don't really see the point. At the same time, I feel like Oppian is maybe going insane and setting traps poorly in a state of paranoia. I am thinking about moving the trap if my group is crushing the fortress and needs an extra challenge, or just have them see it go off haphazardly just before Mindaliel starts throwing down javelins at them and some of them have to face the haunt on the stairs. Has anybody run it differently?


I'm going to be running the final fight this evening, so I can share my insight regarding prep and where we're at now. Wall of text incoming!

RE: the trap, it may look like it's placed oddly, but if you look closely, nobody can cross the chamber from the lower stairwell without triggering it. There's about 8-10ft of room before you have to step on it. There is a haunt in H24 that is triggered if anyone flies higher than 10ft above the floor in H23, or otherwise touches the ascending stairs, so those 2 things should help to slow them down while the Legion Archon whips flaming javelins at them. :)

I've been toying with re-speccing Oppian for this fight...my party is 6 players, all optimized, all lusting for Oppian's death. The battle through Valor's Fastness so far as been decent. Exemplar, the ghost dog in the courtyard, is great. He targets evil divine characters first, so I can him harass our Cleric of Asmodeus, who hit the dirt at like -4. Exemplar's Howl ability can be really devastating, too. 3 PCs failed the will save and were panicked for 7 rounds. Archers and slingers in the guard-towers kept peppering them with arrows.
They had an advantage when the fight began, as the Cleric had animated a guard patrol they had slain an hour or two before, and so were able to get into the courtyard unaccosted, and had a few meat shields when the fighting began.

I threw another guard party at them, too. 1 sixth sword knight and a mix of Glorious Reclamation sergeants and squires. The witch flew up to the rampart, invisibly, and killed 5 of them with 2 lightning bolts -___-

Inside was also pretty easy. The Vulpinal agathion took the Ranger's animal companion out with Charm Monster, and also got the Magus for several rounds. Once she took a few points of damage, and was clearly outmatched, she dimension door'd up to wait with Oppian and recuperate. The Graven Guardian in the chapel area is quite strong, especially with 70ft land speed and self-cast haste. Note the description says that the statue "immediately animates," which I took literally into combat and shoved her into the initiative order as soon as the trigger occurred. I forgot the have Mindaliel appear and start chucking javelins, but no big deal.
There were 6 guards in H11, and given the close quarters of the room, I was also the bog them down alright. At this point, I have nearly killed the Cleric and the Ranger. Casters are starting to run low on spells.

Upstairs was also pretty easy, though I nearly killed the witch with one of the Foo Lions. Magus nova'd it from full to 0hp in one hit though :(
There's a training room with 2 sixth sword knights. Some nat 1's on their sense motive rolls and will saves and they died pretty quickly. Then it was just the diplomat from Andoran. The book is quite explicit that she does not try to attack or anything. She suggested being locked in her room until the battle was over, at which time they would converse again and she would take her leave, probably spreading word of the Reclamation's incompetence.

ANYWAYS! Tonight they storm the tower and bring the fight to Oppian (and friends.... ;) )
Like I said earlier, I've been considering rebuilding Oppian for a few reasons. We are using feat tax rules, for one, and also my uber optimized party of 6 with 20pt stats...haha. Anyways, hope that helps!


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Sounds like you had a pretty epic battle so far! My players tend to get into trouble with traps - Faydreth's bookshelf trap nearly took out two members of their party. I'll probably run it like you say, the wording in the paragraph before it is just kind of confusing.

I've been most looking forward to the Exemplar fight for sure. I think his howl is going to hit hard, and so will his touch wisdom attack. We run next Tuesday just for a few hours so I'm interested to see how far they get. They'll clean it up on a Sunday session later this month.

In the vulpinal's stat block it says she dimension doors into the chapel with the graven guardian, but I might steal your idea of her going up and bolstering/getting healed by Oppian.

I might also give Oppian the archon-graced template from advanced bestiary, so then it would make sense for Kelinti to go bolster his defenses.


I had also considered giving him that template! I would suggest Legion archon-graced, as Mindaliel is right there right Oppian, and the Legion template is very strong.

Unfortunately for me, the party nuked BOTH archons in the tower stairwell *while* all being affected by Slow from the haunt and the fatigued condition for being in the room longer than 3 rounds. I managed to Bull Rush the cleric off the top of the tower using Oppian's Inheritor's Strike (which is AWESOME, btw), but the damn witch summoned a dire bat and saved him about 2 feet from the ground. Crap!

Having run that fight now, I would suggest statting up Oppian on his own sheet. He has several spells running on him when the fight begins, and all of them last long enough that they won't expire before he does. I bumped up his DEX, because no final boss of mine is going to have -1 to Initiative. I also gave him one or two feats, but nothing wild. Doubled his HP and used the simple advanced template of +2 to all rolls and +4 to AC and CMD...he ended up being almost untouchable with an AC of 31, as well as running Freedom of Movement (take that, Goblin strangler!), Air Walk, Bull's Strength, Bear's Ferocity, Divine Favor, and maybe one or two more.

Really fun conclusion to the book. Today we do our wrap up and TGIF fun time rp.

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