what teamwork feats would you need to.....


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to create a Roman shield wall?


zainale wrote:
to create a Roman shield wall?

Have you by chance heard about the teamwork feat:

"Shield Wall" ??


zainale wrote:
to create a Roman shield wall?

You can't. Roman shield walls are designed with real combat in mind, which D&D doesn't do. The abstraction of AC to "hit" or "miss" means that literally overlapping your tower shields and hiding behind them means almost nothing to a more powerful individual foe - human or otherwise. Pathfinder is particularly bad since BAB goes from 0-20 and buffs make that grow even greater, so the bonus AC gets lost in the math of the game.

The best way to model this as a GM would be using swarm rules for a group of humans, and giving the shield wall DR or concealment. As an individual player, the best way to model the tactical function is to cast a fog spell and force enemies to fight into the concealment at the border of the fog.

EDIT

In terms of systems modeling this from a HEMA perspective, they normally allow shields to flat block incoming attacks against a portion of the body and allow a shield wall to cover bonus portions of the body so they are even harder to land a blow on. That's why concealment (a flat miss chance) makes for a decent model of the tactic.


You may not be able to copy every aspect of a shieldwall exactly, but I would go with shake it off, bodygaurd, gang up and maybe team up. The last three are not technically teamwork feats, but they can really up the group support aspect.


yes i have was wondering if there were any other teamwork feats to improve the chances of survival in an arrow storm.

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