Arcane Trickster and Equipment Trick (Thieve's Tools)


Rules Questions


Ranged Chicanery is used with Mage Hand specifically, and has a base range of 25 ft.

Ranged Legerdemain doesn't use Mage Hand, and has a specified range of 30 ft.

When you have both, do you reduce the DC increase by 5 for both abilities or just one of them?

Can you then start using Legerdemain at ranges greater than 30 ft or can you only do that with the use of Mage Hand and Chicanery?


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber

Looks like the questions you have are actually answered as part of the description of Ranged Chicanery from the Dirty Tactics Handbook.

Dirty Tactics Handbook wrote:
Ranged Chicanery (Disable Device 1 rank, Sleight of Hand 1 rank, ability to cast mage hand) You can use mage hand to attempt Disable Device and Sleight of Hand checks at range. Working at a distance increases the normal skill check DC by an amount equal to 5 + 1 for every 5 feet the range is greater than 25 feet. You can't take 10 or 20 on this check. Any object manipulated must weigh 5 pounds or less. If you also possess the ranged legerdemain class feature, you no longer increase the skill check DC by 5 while using Disable Device and Sleight of Hand at range.

This reads to me as: if you have Ranged Chicanery and you have Ranged Legerdemain class feature, then when using Ranged Legerdemain you no longer increase the DC by 5 for Disable Device and Sleight of Hand checks. It does not change the DC for Ranged Chicanery.

Having both does not change the range of either option.

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