Casting a spell makes a visible effect that makes it obvious that you are casting. Simply hiding or removing the components does nothing. Though you can obscure it through methods, such as hiding yourself (though no one's sure what happens if you're invisible).
Though, while they might see you cast A spell, they still wont know what spell it is unless they make the spellcraft checks.
Innocence works by casting it before you get caught.
Here comes the 'if I can't auto win social situations by casting charm right out in the open in everyone's face in public with no consequences, the game is ruined RUINED I tell you!" Group.
I've always found that group weird, since you can just be part of a crowd in the street and cast it in stealth.
Here comes the 'if I can't auto win social situations by casting charm right out in the open in everyone's face in public with no consequences, the game is ruined RUINED I tell you!" Group.I've always found that group weird, since you can just be part of a crowd in the street and cast it in stealth.
Yup... no-one around you is gonna freak out, I mean, in a world where that spell being cast might be Fireball, or summon a DEMON INTO YOUR MIDST...
I'm sure everyone in the crowd will just ignore it.
Yup... no-one around you is gonna freak out, I mean, in a world where that spell being cast might be Fireball, or summon a DEMON INTO YOUR MIDST...
I'm sure everyone in the crowd will just ignore it.
You have misunderstood my statement. You go in the crowd because the rules say that they can provide cover, with that cover you then make a stealth check to hide yourself and the spell. It does mean that you need decent ranks in stealth to pull it off though of course, I mean, a crowd = a good chance of at least one person seeing it.
Though in my setting it's even easier since, I have casters regularly doing things like casting cantrips and orisons every few minutes. So people are used to casters glowing every now and then.
The reaction of people in the area will depend on a few things. Most important is probably the GM's view of the setting. I'd probably consider it somewhere along the pulling out a knife/pulling out a gun spectrum depending on circumstances. (Personally, I make cantrips obviously different than regular spells so that people don't freak out over them.)
If you want to get away with casting, you have a few options. If you can remove the verbal component (or cast a psychic spell), you can do that while completely hidden from view without attracting attention. If you're interested in casting on people in public, you'll probably want to play a psychic caster (Mesmerist is the best at this) and pick up Deceitful followed by Cunning Caster. That will allow you to make bluff checks to keep people from noticing your casting- or, if the spell effect is obvious, keep them from noticing that you did the casting.
Yup... no-one around you is gonna freak out, I mean, in a world where that spell being cast might be Fireball, or summon a DEMON INTO YOUR MIDST...
I'm sure everyone in the crowd will just ignore it.
You have misunderstood my statement. You go in the crowd because the rules say that they can provide cover, with that cover you then make a stealth check to hide yourself and the spell. It does mean that you need decent ranks in stealth to pull it off though of course, I mean, a crowd = a good chance of at least one person seeing it.
Though in my setting it's even easier since, I have casters regularly doing things like casting cantrips and orisons every few minutes. So people are used to casters glowing every now and then.
Alternatively, have an illusionist concentrating on something that might cover it up...
I'm glad we just use the components as the identifiers in our game, cause if you can't cast as silenced/stilled Charm Person while talking to the guard, it totally breaks the game.
;)
I'm glad we just use the components as the identifiers in our game, cause if you can't cast as silenced/stilled Charm Person while talking to the guard, it totally breaks the game.
;)
Just tell the guard that it was a buff spell or prestidigitation to get something out of their hair. They take everything you say in the best possible manner remember :P
Just tell the guard that it was a buff spell or prestidigitation to get something out of their hair. They take everything you say in the best possible manner remember :PI'm glad we just use the components as the identifiers in our game, cause if you can't cast as silenced/stilled Charm Person while talking to the guard, it totally breaks the game.
;)
If it works...
I dunno, I find Charm to be pointless a lot of the time. If you have a Bard or Sorcerer, they are usually crazy good at Diplomacy anyway.
:D
Save the spells for combat.
So, the question is about spell casting. And i didn't find it in rule books or in rules so may be you can help me.
So, i want to know, how NPC react on spell casting in pathfinder. Should NPC (And PC also) roll some thing or they just know that you are just casted some thing ? I ask this question because, for example, i want to cast Charm person on NPC or suggestion spell on PC. Do they understand about casted spell and must submit, or they do not understand ? How react on this people around us ?
If i will take material component and start talking weird fake spell, will people around me think that i am casting some real spell ?
Can i cast spells with Verbal and Material component hidden from people around me ?
You can't cast a spell with verbal/somatic components subtly. That is, you can't whisper the verbal component, and you can't make some hand gestures behind your back to hide the somatic component. The Still Spell and Silent Spell feats do remove these components, however. Despite this, there's no RAW way of casting a spell in plain sight without betraying the fact that you're casting a spell. Beyond that, it's really up to the GM to decide how onlookers react to seeing someone casting a spell.
Making Cantrips/Orisons appear specifically as such is a good way to enable casters to use simple spells in public without risking ignorant onlookers freaking out. I would definitely rule it that someone who fails a Will save vs. a Charm-related spell doesn't remember that you cast a spell, or at least doesn't care - like laughing gas. In the case of casting such a spell from across a crowded room, and the target didn't see you casting, and he succeeds on his Will save, I've used the following rule: succeed by at least 5, he knows someone tried to cast a spell on him, but failed; succeed by 10 or more, he knows the general direction/distance of the caster in relation to him.
I'm sure with a successful bluff check, you could fool some people who didn't know much about spells that you're casting a spell while you're not, but I wouldn't expect something like that to work against even a 1st level spell caster.
I've always assumed the pathfinder art is indicative of the visual effects spell casting creates (beyond the spells direct effect). So even stilled and silent a giant light show of runes and geometry surround caster and possibly the target during the casting
I see it the same way.
ANd NPCs will react to it roughly like someone pulling out a Knife in public. It MIGHT be that you just want to clean some dirt out from under your fingernails (simply give yourself a harmless selfbuff), but most people do such a thing when they want to get stabbity or do illegal stuff.
I am no trained magician (no Spellcraft), they might try to screw with my mind to swindle me out of my Food Rations i sell in the market. Better call the Watch on those shady dudes.
We had a player discussion about how we would handle such incidents in our Kingmaker campaign and decided that casting a spell on someone who did not explicitly allow it is akin to at least punching someone, or worse in case of worse crimes, like facilitating a theft or fraud.
Remember that Joe Everybody cant see the difference between Unseen Servant, Heroism, Suggestion to sell stuff worth 30 gold for 5 copper, and Phantasmal Killer.
Context is what matters. Low level magic tricks like prestidigitation are probably fairly common, but people will still be wary when the hand waving and chanting starts. I don't buy into spells intrinsically having lightshows associated with them, but the chanting and hand movements are visible enough.