Anyways! So Dark Night Metal, thoughts? JL meet the Kids of the future, thoughts?
(Also any rumors about Legion should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt. Dido clearly doesn't give a crap about them.)
I'm in the "All Legion Is Good Legion" camp, myself.
What about Metal then, Jem?
Haven't read any of it. Unemployed and living in another state from my Friendly Local Comic Store (they mail order me my titles), and the New Local Neighborhood Comic Store is... underwhelming, at best...
So I've not seen a whit of it.
Is it that bad?
One thing I am finding interesting about the Dark-Multiverse is that it isn't an Anti-mater universe but a Dark Mater universe instead.
This sets the DC Greater-Multiverse (Omniverse or what every you want to call it) up as a Trinity.
All DC things come in 3s at it were.
and then there is this acknowledgement of that little wierdness of how Batman is surrounded by Birds; Robins, Birds of Prey, Court of Owls, Owlman.
It's kind of a wierd thing that has always just kind of been there and they seem to have decided to make it mean something more significant.
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I'm in the "All Legion Is Good Legion" camp, myself.
Ditto. I have my favorite (classic), but I love a lot of the new characters introduced in the Reboot (and that they got to reuse some older classics, like Lyle Norg and Chemical Kid, that are dead in the 'classic' continuity), and liked certain elements of the Threeboot (like 'NPC' legionnaires like Theena, and the interesting sideways developments of Colossal Boy/Micro Lad, Dream Girl, Triplicate Girl, etc. I liked it better when Shooter returned and started giving it a more 'classic' feel, admittedly...).
If DC wanted to write the continuing stories of the Reboot (or even Threeboot) Legions, instead of the 'classic' Legion, I'd be willing to give it a shot.
Pretty much the last thing I'd want to see is yet *another* complete relaunch, 'though, factionalizing the Legion fanbase yet again...
I'd also love to see a rebirth of the Justice Society/All-Star Squadron/Young Allies/whatever. I loved some of those characters, and I love stories set in different time periods (because, less crossover / stunt-casting nonsense).
As Legion goes, I liked the one with the Snake girl. Never been sure which "version" that was but it was a fun time.
JSA is what pulled me into DC. This idea of legacy, Old heroes teaching the new. It's something I just love about DC.
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One thing I am finding interesting about the Dark-Multiverse is that it isn't an Anti-mater universe but a Dark Mater universe instead.
This sets the DC Greater-Multiverse (Omniverse or what every you want to call it) up as a Trinity.
All DC things come in 3s at it were.
Is it a Trilogy? You are grouping all 52 Multiverses as one, just because they are positive matter.
and then there is this acknowledgement of that little wierdness of how Batman is surrounded by Birds; Robins, Birds of Prey, Court of Owls, Owlman.
It's kind of a wierd thing that has always just kind of been there and they seem to have decided to make it mean something more significant.
Didn't catch that.
Human Princess/Queen Projectra / Sensor became Snake Sensor in the Reboot.
Charles,
It might be positive or light because it's not Dark. There's always...shadows. ;)
Jem,
No I don't think so. The first issue starts off rough but it smooths out later. The preludes were nice I thought.
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Haven't read any of it. Unemployed and living in another state from my Friendly Local Comic Store (they mail order me my titles), and the New Local Neighborhood Comic Store is... underwhelming, at best...
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Is it a Trilogy? You are grouping all 52 Multiverses as one, just because they are positive matter.
I believe Dark/Metal reveals a dark multiverse, not a dark universe. Not 100% sure, but I think the various dark avatars of Batman are from separate dark universes.
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I have not! I'll check it out. :)
Damon,
That's pretty much how it rolls. It's not a universe, but MANY universes that show up as a kind of "Dark Batman" with various JL powers. So yes it's like Elseworlds, but much more...dark fantastical than say, comic book grit.
As for the Seven Dark Knights, I'm pretty sure they're all from different universes but work some how in concert.
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Since we haven't seen them yet, except the preview, I figured they were the Dark Matter Justice League with Bat themed Nth Metal armor: Bat-Superman, Batman, Bat-Wonder Woman, Bat-Green Lantern, Bat-Flash, Bat-Cyborg and Bat-Aquaman.
(Is it me, or does that sound like the Adam West Batman where everything starts with Bat-?)
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As for the Seven Dark Knights, I'm pretty sure they're all from different universes but work some how in concert.
Like the Justice Incarnate team, from Multiversity.
What I'm finding interesting is acording to the writers these reprisent several decisions Batman chose not to make. They implied that the Dark Multiverse reprisents the "Choices not taken"
For example after Superman was killed by Doomsday, Batman considered a world without Superman and how he could fix it. By using Doomsday's DMA he could give himself power enough to take Superman's place. In the end Bruce chose not to do it but that results in a Dark World with the DoomBat on the loose.
Pretty much the last thing I'd want to see is yet *another* complete relaunch, 'though, factionalizing the Legion fanbase yet again...
I'm not a Legion fan to begin with so my opinion is pretty worthless... However I love the IDEA of Legion getting rebooted and reset all the time... just based on how often they completely screw around with the MODERN continuity and reboots... how could the future NOT get Butterfly Effected.
I'd love if that actually became an in-universe plot point somehow.
Grey,
Yeah that's kind of how I see it. Basically it's the choices Bruce did or didn't make that changes outcomes along with gaining new powers (like GL ring for Dawnbreaker) or else as you mentioned Batman injecting himself with Doomsday's abilities.
Grey,
Yeah that's kind of how I see it. Basically it's the choices Bruce did or didn't make that changes outcomes along with gaining new powers (like GL ring for Dawnbreaker) or else as you mentioned Batman injecting himself with Doomsday's abilities.
Makes you wonder about the reasons he didn't though. I mean Batman with superspeed could clean up Gotham like nothing else.
But ultimately the Batman we know chose not to follow these paths. Why?
On some level perhaps Bruce does not trust himself with actual superpowers. Maybe he knows that combined with his obsession a Superpowered Batman would go wrong. That the Batman has to stay an ordinary human amongst gods.
Maybe that's why he doesn't build himself a battle suit like Luthor has. (Or rather why he only uses the one he did build for emergencies)
He just doesn't Trust himself with too much power.
Grey,
Well consider this, when he HAD Metron's Chair, it wasn't like he was a better Batman. He was more like a more "judge jury and imprisoner" of Gotham.
So...I don't think you're wrong.
I will say one thing that makes me laugh about Duke's name.
FreeholdDM may die a little every time he says "You can't stop The Signal."
:-)
This is really a stupid, STUPID codename...
Agreed. It is, however, slightly better than Signalman.
Or Kite-man.
Charles,
Yeah I didn't much get this issue but it did feel interesting framing.
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Batman knew he couldn't trust Joker so he made a deal with Riddler to take him out.
He got rid of all Joker's henchman but Kite-Man, knowing he would spill the beans on where Joker ran to ground when his support was gone.
Charles,
Yes...and?
I'm finding the Justice League "kids from the future" story to be pretty interesting. I like that most of the League are taking the idea of Kids fairly well.
Grey,
Well it's a trope that's well used, sure.
Babyseid is adorable
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Metal: Looks like all the people who came through were Baterized when they got possessed. I don't think they started out that way.
Action: I figured out who Mr. Oz was on page 2. Still think there is more to it than that.
Supergirl: Okay; could have been better. Don't like the defamation attacks.
Titans: Logical explanation.
Suicide Squad: Go Harley. Nice surprise ending.
Wonder Woman: Could have ended a little better.
Superwoman: Didn't see too much point with this issue.
Batgirl and Birds of Prey: Nice filler.
Haven't read any others.
I reckon Oz is a fake-out. AFAIK he was checking out earth long before he did the escape rocket thing so he would know of all the nasty stuff humans do to each other.
I'm pretty sure Oz
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Yeah something about the Oz reveal doesn't feel right. His Powers for one, plus not affected by Kryptonite.
I still think Time Trapper somehow.
"I am your father."
"No! It's not possible!"
"Search your feelings..."
My comics ship once a month and I have not received the Oz reveal yet, but I don't see myself being happy about a massive bait-and-switch, no matter what universe it comes from. Button + Doomsday Clock + dialogue from The Watchmen + Dr. Manhattan + references to Mr. Oz's extremely high intelligence + the freaking name Mr. Oz = Jor-El?!?! Does not compute.
Clues that can be misinterpreted and ultimately lead to something the readers didn't expect is cool. Clues that only lead to one thing, then having the solution be entirely unrelated to the clues is not fair play. Someone call Mr. Terrific.
If it wasn't going to be Ozymandias, I feel like it should have been...almost anyone else. Granted, I haven't read the story yet, but it feels like a further dehumanizing of Kryptonians in general and/or Superman's parents in particular, which I think John Byrne started with his Superman reboot.
So the Dark Multiverse is a sort of bubbling Pot of "What if"
A subconcious to the universe that creates and destroyes alternate worlds based on the fears and hopes of the regular multiverse. These dark worlds exist only so long as those fears or hopes remain and they they wither and vanish.
There is also an implication that is the Fears or Hopes that gave birth to a world become strong enough it might become permanent, bubbling up out of the Dark Multiverse and adding itself to the (currently) 52 worlds of the regular multiverse.
So we now have these Nightmare Batmen, snatched up from worlds that lived and died in an instant, dropped into the prime world of the Multiverse. Bringing Chaos and Fear
Fears that could make their shadowed realities real.
Neat
Well fears and/or the fact Dark Matter is kind of like anti-matter. Regardless, Red Death is clearly got two minds on the matter of whether or not joining up with Barbatos is a good idea.
Fear and hope. I don't suppose there will be any references to yellow or blue energy sources from the emotional spectrum (used in some way unconnected to Lanterns.)
Everything connects to the Emotional Spectrum! ;)
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I just remember after it happened, with the Red Rage Lanterns and the angry-housecat-what-vomits-acid-blood and whatever, there was a Red Hulk introduced over at Marvel, and I was just waiting for the Hulk Spectrum to be introduced, with the Yellow Fear Hulk and the Purple Love Hulk. :)
As for the Emotional Spectrum, I kind of wish they'd further redefined 'willpower' as 'courage,' and made the whole 'Green vs. Yellow' thing a contrast between Bravery and Fear. Some 'spectral oppositions,' like Love vs. Hate or Hope vs. Despair or Rage vs. Serenity would have felt more on-them to me than 'Avarice' and 'Willpower' being considered emotions on the 'emotional spectrum' alongside Fear and Love and Anger.
Hal had been, in the past, described less as having supreme willpower as being 'fearless,' and after the Parallax thing, pretty must lost the uber-willpower title anyway, as the first Lantern in many millennia to get mindjobbed the way he did.
On the upside, one thing I've always loved about the Green Lanterns in general is that DC has unapologetically got dozens of characters running around with pretty much the same costume, the same codename and the same power set, and there's no big deal attached to it, unlike say, multiple people going by the name of Captain America or Spider-Man or Wolverine, over at Marvel, which causes people to lose their minds. It's not the name, the costume or the powers that make the character, and Kyle Rayner is very different than John Stewart, for instance, and that's very cool.