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Big,

Clarify that statement?

Jem,

I try to keep the spoilers at mininium for Charles' sake.

As for the new stuff....the only thing new right now is the fact Post-Flashpoint is getting scrubbed a little in places.

Green Lantern Corps STILL has like 6 people in the same sector.

Teen Titans and Titans are trying to do Speed Force meets Deathstroke. Plus you know two Wallys.

And of course Mister Black is back again.


In the Batman/Swamp Thing crossover, an Alan Moore expy got whacked. Seems things might be a bit tense at DC.


Manny,

Yeah well. I didn't think much of that since he was kind of D-lister in my book.


I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but if we want to spoiler up our gripes about Moore, I'll happily join.


Jem,

Latest issue of Batman had a Batman/Swamp Thing cross over that involved an Alan Moore villain.


Well not an Alan Moore villain but Alan Moore himself. Or someone who looked like him.


Ahhh. Gotcha.

Saves gripes for later.


Manny,

Really? I thought the villain was an Alan Moore villain. Huh. Okay thanks!

Scarab Sages

Paizo Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

Actually, I think

Spoiler:
Swamp Thing's Father (no picture available)
looked more like Alan Moore.


Charles,

Regardless...it's not something that needs to be hashed out here.

What does is how the hell they think giving Deathstroke Speed Force power is a good idea...


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Charles,

Regardless...it's not something that needs to be hashed out here.

What does is how the hell they think giving Deathstroke Speed Force power is a good idea...

That is kind of a nightmare thing isn't it


Grey,

Yeah it's not my favorite idea. But I'll let it slide as we get more Rebirth stuff going and probably greater ideas on what the future of DC Comics might look like.


Hopefully Manhattan won't be brought in just so he can be killed by the next Cosmic Threat du jour.


Manny,

It might happen since I'm not convinced Doc M is the true mastermind behind this.

Scarab Sages

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I agree. Dr M isn't the manipulative sort, that's Ozzy's thing.


Well again not sure Ozzy's behind it either. I'm ALMOST convinced it might be Mister Mind.

Scarab Sages

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Well again not sure Ozzy's behind it either. I'm ALMOST convinced it might be Mister Mind.

That's funny.

Which Mister Mind?
The Original
Post Crisis
Post Crisis 2
Hyperfly Form


Why not a new form of the old one?


So...

Superman gets lost in the wake of the Phantom Zone/Black place.

We see Zod perform surgery on himself AND get semi-rescued by Hank Henshaw and Eradicator.

Wonder Woman's origin is still pretty much the same except the fact now Themsiyra(sp) is now a prison for Ares. Sort of.

And Kyle Raynor just lost his future son...

Plus I still think Spoiler/Stephanie Brown is going about this crime fighting thing all wrong but...eh.

Oh and in the future, Damien totally goes Al'Ghul for Batman Beyond.

Scarab Sages

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Very disappointed with the Titans/Teen Titans/Deathstroke ending.

Interesting on the Flash. So he can't die?? Does that apply to all who are connected to the Speed Force?

Trinity Annual - Looks like some interesting stuff ahead.

Wonder Woman Annual - It was okay. Mostly personality filler.


Charles,

Regarding the Lazarus Contract, it was a pretty crap ending, but I was also kind of disappointed by the following:

Spoiler:
First Damien nearly KILLS Wally West (the original) and THEN he has the gall to complain about saving Deathstroke?! I mean that plus kicking out Wally West (nu-52)...yeah I'm beginning to think Damien deserves to be written out.

Then of course the fallout thanks to that is now our beloved Wally (original) has a freaking PACEMACKER now?! WtF?!

As for Eobard...not sure he can't die so much as now he might have come back as his nu-52 self. It's hard to judge but that's my take atm.

Mostly I just read these and was like "Yeah...moving on."


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Just when I was starting to warm up to Daimen he dose this. G*+ D+#n little S$#%

I like the Wonder Woman annual though. The Early days banter between Bruce and Clark and their first meeting with Diana was really nice.

I like where Trinty is going as well, although this Circe is a little out of step with the one we just saw in Wonder Woman.

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I was disappointed in the ending of Lazarus contract too. Which is a shame. I think Deathstroke is the best book in the market right now.

And yes. I loved Damien in the recent Nightwing book, then we get this.


Matthew Morris wrote:

I was disappointed in the ending of Lazarus contract too. Which is a shame. I think Deathstroke is the best book in the market right now.

And yes. I loved Damien in the recent Nightwing book, then we get this.

you...LOVED DAMIEN?

checks Matt for signs he is a proty


Freehold,

Now now! I think Matt could like Damien and not be...whatever it is you said.

But yeah Grey, doing that was pretty out of character. But I'm still miffed he basically KILLED Original Wally West!

Trinity is good because I like the fact both Circe and Ra's are on the same side.

Matthew,

The ending was just so rushed and poorly done I couldn't believe this is what we got instead of something more...


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Damien needs one of those classic Bat-slaps you keep seeing memed.

but seriously, Bruce needs to step up with some parental discipline. The kid crossed a line this time and a good man is crippled because of it.


Grey,

Exactly. Not just a good man but an excellent legacy character.

Scarab Sages

Paizo Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

Didn't Wally have heart problems pre-Crisis, then it was somehow cured so he was able to get his own comic.


Charles,

No it was more he had a mental block that kept him from being as fast (if not faster) than Barry.

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His turn in Nightwing was more of the 'false bravado' Damien we've seen, the banter with Dick was a mix of the cocky 'I am the TRUE heir to the Bat' mixed with the kid who missed running with Dickbats and needing to prove himself, well, to Dick. Yes the annoying Damien cockiness was there, but it was overwhelmed with the banter between them.

The Teen Titans Damien is insufferable.

@Thomas what is really annoying is there was a bit in Titans when he surprised Superdad by outrunning him. True this is before the 'timeline heal' bit but Supes didn't think Wally could move that fast, implying he was faster than Barry.


Matt,

Eh maybe with all the time wimey changes, it messed up Supes idea about who the fastest man alive is...


Matthew Morris wrote:
His turn in Nightwing was more of the 'false bravado' Damien we've seen, the banter with Dick was a mix of the cocky 'I am the TRUE heir to the Bat' mixed with the kid who missed running with Dickbats and needing to prove himself, well, to Dick. Yes the annoying Damien cockiness was there, but it was overwhelmed with the banter between them

Interesting...

Scarab Sages

Charles Scholz wrote:

Very disappointed with the Titans/Teen Titans/Deathstroke ending.

I keep seeing people say this. Makes me glad I put the non-Titans issues back after my comic store placed them in my folder thinking I would want to read them.

Scarab Sages

Freehold DM wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
His turn in Nightwing was more of the 'false bravado' Damien we've seen, the banter with Dick was a mix of the cocky 'I am the TRUE heir to the Bat' mixed with the kid who missed running with Dickbats and needing to prove himself, well, to Dick. Yes the annoying Damien cockiness was there, but it was overwhelmed with the banter between them
Interesting...

I was kind of hoping they'd kill the little snotrag off, but no such luck.

Scarab Sages

And, from what I'm reading, it seems the editors at DC are still not done expressing their dislike for original Wally?!? Maybe that's why they brought him back, so they could f+*& with him some more.


A-zombie,

Not sure it's the editors but SOMEONE sure as hell enjoys messing with original Wally.

But yes, the Ending for this storyline was pretty WEAK sauce.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Charles,

No it was more he had a mental block that kept him from being as fast (if not faster) than Barry.

I thought there was something else in there too, back pre-crisis, that caused him to retire as Kid Flash. Something about gaining his powers when he was just a kid (unlike Barry as an adult) and the hormonal changes or something as a teen was killing him or something... which yeah, seemed to get fixed in time for him to take over for Barry (although being much slower...)


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There is an interview on Newsarama with the writer and he said this

Quote:

Absolutely. It has fairly big repercussions. What we're going to be exploring is, what defines Wally West? Dare I say, as a Flash, he's kind of redundant, right? We've got other speedsters. But what defines Wally West?

I think there's always been a sense that, although he's happy to be back and to be a member of the Titans and with his friends - he has no life. He has no identity beyond being a member of the Titans. Everything he knew is gone. He's got no personal life, no private life.

And now he's in danger of even losing the things that defines him, which is that he's a Flash.

So this is going to have fairly big consequences for him.

Wally's entire arc since he returned - being lost in the timestream, not knowing who he is, losing his life (in terms of his personal life) - are really going to start to play out in the next few issues.

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Quote:
Dare I say, as a Flash, he's kind of redundant, right? We've got other speedsters. But what defines Wally West?

'Dare I say, as a humanoid, he's kind of redundant, right? We've got other characters with two legs, two arms and a head. But what defines Wally West?'


Set wrote:
Quote:
Dare I say, as a Flash, he's kind of redundant, right? We've got other speedsters. But what defines Wally West?

'Dare I say, as a humanoid, he's kind of redundant, right? We've got other characters with two legs, two arms and a head. But what defines Wally West?'

Agreed. DC really needs to on work on having better representation for non-humanoids.


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Delightful wrote:
Set wrote:
Quote:
Dare I say, as a Flash, he's kind of redundant, right? We've got other speedsters. But what defines Wally West?

'Dare I say, as a humanoid, he's kind of redundant, right? We've got other characters with two legs, two arms and a head. But what defines Wally West?'

Agreed. DC really needs to on work on having better representation for non-humanoids.

like Sensor from the Archie Legion

Scarab Sages

Paizo Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
phantom1592 wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Charles,

No it was more he had a mental block that kept him from being as fast (if not faster) than Barry.

I thought there was something else in there too, back pre-crisis, that caused him to retire as Kid Flash. Something about gaining his powers when he was just a kid (unlike Barry as an adult) and the hormonal changes or something as a teen was killing him or something... which yeah, seemed to get fixed in time for him to take over for Barry (although being much slower...)

Here is the Wikipedia entry:

"Sometime later, Wally contracted a mysterious illness that affected his entire bodily system; the more he used his speed powers, the faster his body deteriorated. This was caused by the fact that Wally was a boy when the electrified chemicals altered his body, which was still developing and maturing (as opposed to Barry Allen, who was already an adult when his accident occurred). As such, as Wally's body matured, his altered body chemistry was slowly killing him.

During the 1985–1986 miniseries Crisis on Infinite Earths, Barry gave his life to save the Earth when destroying the antimatter cannon that was aimed at Earth.[4] Initially unaware of this, Wally was coaxed by Jay Garrick into assisting the heroes against the Anti-Monitor's forces. During the final battle with the Anti-Monitor, Wally was struck by a blast of anti-matter energy, which put his disease into remission. In the aftermath of the conflict, Wally took on his fallen mentor's costume and identity."

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Greylurker wrote:

There is an interview on Newsarama with the writer and he said this

Quote:

Absolutely. It has fairly big repercussions. What we're going to be exploring is, what defines Wally West? Dare I say, as a Flash, he's kind of redundant, right? We've got other speedsters. But what defines Wally West?

I think there's always been a sense that, although he's happy to be back and to be a member of the Titans and with his friends - he has no life. He has no identity beyond being a member of the Titans. Everything he knew is gone. He's got no personal life, no private life.

And now he's in danger of even losing the things that defines him, which is that he's a Flash.

So this is going to have fairly big consequences for him.

Wally's entire arc since he returned - being lost in the timestream, not knowing who he is, losing his life (in terms of his personal life) - are really going to start to play out in the next few issues.

Ok that's just lame.

"Well we took away his family, his past and his life. So now it's an issue he has no life."


Yeah it's pretty damn annoying they're taking EVERYTHING from Wally just to prove they could.

Mostly I'm against what they were doing in terms of trying to remove Original Wally just so they can say F you.

In comic releases!

Superboy gets Blackened! (By Manchester Black no less!)

The Justice League deals with more bug infestations.

Batman proposes to Catwoman.

Two Green Lanterns finally get accepted into the Corps just in time to help the First Lantern (in disguise!) find his old Lantern.

Aquaman loses his kingdom to some big smuck. But still keeps his arm.

Cyborg continues to figure out if being human is worth it. (I think)

Deathstroke tries to get a new team together...but it looks like Doctor Ikon isn't going to let that stand in his way.

That's pretty much it! No real rebirth stuff that I saw.

Scarab Sages

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Steve Trevor one-shot was okay. Little bit of his past came out.
The last couple of pages was interesting.


I just like the Crimson Men/People/thingie in that one shot.


Charles Scholz wrote:
phantom1592 wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Charles,

No it was more he had a mental block that kept him from being as fast (if not faster) than Barry.

I thought there was something else in there too, back pre-crisis, that caused him to retire as Kid Flash. Something about gaining his powers when he was just a kid (unlike Barry as an adult) and the hormonal changes or something as a teen was killing him or something... which yeah, seemed to get fixed in time for him to take over for Barry (although being much slower...)

Here is the Wikipedia entry:

"Sometime later, Wally contracted a mysterious illness that affected his entire bodily system; the more he used his speed powers, the faster his body deteriorated. This was caused by the fact that Wally was a boy when the electrified chemicals altered his body, which was still developing and maturing (as opposed to Barry Allen, who was already an adult when his accident occurred). As such, as Wally's body matured, his altered body chemistry was slowly killing him.

During the 1985–1986 miniseries Crisis on Infinite Earths, Barry gave his life to save the Earth when destroying the antimatter cannon that was aimed at Earth.[4] Initially unaware of this, Wally was coaxed by Jay Garrick into assisting the heroes against the Anti-Monitor's forces. During the final battle with the Anti-Monitor, Wally was struck by a blast of anti-matter energy, which put his disease into remission. In the aftermath of the conflict, Wally took on his fallen mentor's costume and identity."

Yep! That's what I remembered... I also remember it was something Wolfman and Perez did back around that first Judas Contract story because they didn't like Speedsters in general. Too hard to make plausible threats or something so they crippled him and retired him rather than keep him on the team.

So as much as I imagine this is going to suck... it's also not entirely new. In my mind this is just further explaination of why he retired back in the 90's...

Except it's apparently still a problem.

Honestly, I'm less annoyed by the cripple and 'powers gonna kill him' subplot and more annoyed that this is still a thing. Regardless of floating timelines... 1) People function just fine with pacemakers... 2) With all the advanced super science floating around DC, not to mention time travel adventures/enemies and future tech everywhere... how is he still using something that... mundane. Why hasn't Waynetech fixed it or Atom shrunk down to repair the damage... or something. Just handwaving something like this with his resources just feels dumb.


Phantom,

Handwaving apparently only works if you're Batman or Superman or Wonder Woman.


Yes, it was a wolfman Perez thing.

Thank God someone else remembers!


*prefers to remember that Damien is a real dick right now*

That and Batman and Catwoman might find a way to raise Damien better. Maybe.

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