Can one "Scribe Scroll" create scrolls from everyones spells?

[Qayinisorouse]

My friends say the person with the "Scribe scroll" feat can only craft spells he knows according to the short description (p 132)
i claim that if my character knows a spell we can use his feat and my spell in unison to create scrolls (That have my spells in them).

Quote:

Scribe Scroll (Item Creation)

You can create magic scrolls.
Prerequisite: Caster level 1st.
Benefit: You can create a scroll of any spell that you
know. Scribing a scroll takes 2 hours if its base price is 250
gp or less, otherwise scribing a scroll takes 1 day for each
1,000 gp in its base price. To scribe a scroll, you must use up
raw materials costing half of this base price. See the magic
item creation rules in Chapter 15 for more information.

i claim that since the title states "Item Creation" - the following applies (both these snippets are from chapter 15):

p 461:
Requirements: Certain requirements must be met in order
for a character to create a magic item. These include feats, spells,
and miscellaneous requirements such as level, alignment, and
race or kind. The prerequisites for creation of an item are given
immediately following the item’s caster level.
<--snipped-->
It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in
the creation of an item, with each participant providing one
or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may
even be necessary.
If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they
must agree among themselves who will be considered the
creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator’s
level must be known.

p 549:
Note that all items have prerequisites in their descriptions.
These prerequisites must be met for the item to be created.
Most of the time, they take the form of spells that must be
known by the item’s creator (although access through another
magic item or spellcaster is allowed).

So? What's the verdict?

[Drahliana Moonrunner]

Your DM is correct.

[Blymurkla]

If I where to try and interpret the rules as written, I'd side with your friend. You can't scribe a scroll of a spell some else knows.

Quote:

each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites.

Scribe Scroll lists only one prerequisite, being a 1st level caster. The part of knowing the spell is in the benefit section, thus not subject to the create item cooperation rules.

If I where to GM you, on the other hand, I might decide otherwise. It's not that far-fetched that scribing scrolls could be a cooperative activity.

[Drahliana Moonrunner]

In order to scribe a scroll, create a wand, you have to prepare the spell as if you were going to cast it. Or already have it in mind if you are a spontaneous caster.

A friend can't help you with this.

Magi, interestingly enough have a slight workaround on this with thier Knowledge Pool ability.

[LordBiBo]

From a thematic perspective it makes no sense to cooperatively scribe a scroll unless you are putting multiple spells on the scroll.

Imagine making a scroll like this: You get magic paper and quill and write down a spell formula from memory, possibly with the aid of your spellbook if you have one.

As for making any other magic item: You gather exotic components and a high quality item that you chant over for a long time with occasionally other spells being cast upon it to give it unique abilities.

In the case of the scroll, it would be the equivalent of handing someone your homework to do for you but saying it is your creation because you can do homework. In the case of the magic item, it would be like building a car from scratch, but you don't know how to do electronics, so you get someone to help you with the computer bits.

[_Ozy_]

Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:

In order to scribe a scroll, create a wand, you have to prepare the spell as if you were going to cast it. Or already have it in mind if you are a spontaneous caster.

A friend can't help you with this.

Magi, interestingly enough have a slight workaround on this with thier Knowledge Pool ability.

The rules have already been quoted specifying that prerequisites may be supplied by another source, such as another character or even another item. In fact, they specifically mention spell completion and spell trigger items in the same paragraph.

What rules are you using to support your claim?

[Darigaaz the Igniter]

_Ozy_ wrote:

Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:

In order to scribe a scroll, create a wand, you have to prepare the spell as if you were going to cast it. Or already have it in mind if you are a spontaneous caster.

A friend can't help you with this.

Magi, interestingly enough have a slight workaround on this with thier Knowledge Pool ability.

The rules have already been quoted specifying that prerequisites may be supplied by another source, such as another character or even another item. In fact, they specifically mention spell completion and spell trigger items in the same paragraph.

What rules are you using to support your claim?

+1

[taks]

Ha! Seems both responses were mooted. ;)

My group has argued this before, but it rarely matters because having 2 scribes is not a bad idea (one arcane, one divine).