How is Canibalism defined in PFS?


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Yeah...So seems like those who think cannibalism is evil fall into three groups:

The group that sees issue with eating members of the same race.

The group that sees issue with eating "intelligent" creatures.

And the group that sees issue with eating "humanoid" creatures.

There seems to be some confusion regarding the difference between eating food for survival and eating to show off how barbaric your PC is. There also seems to be an unclear understanding regarding where food comes from (especially in the pathfinder setting)...

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Kobolds are simply too small for target practice. We're skin and bones. Minus the skin.

Not true. Your small size (and low strength and constitution scores) makes you ideal for target practice.

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I think it's silly to claim cannibalism is evil.

Barring the possible interference with raise dead etc (which you aren't likely to want for anyone that you kill), it doesn't make sense that eating a dead creature is worse than killing it.

I think it is ridiculous that murderhoboing is 'ok' but carving off a slice of protean that is already partially butchered is evil.

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Belladonna DeCastri 12 wrote:

I think it's silly to claim cannibalism is evil.

Barring the possible interference with raise dead etc (which you aren't likely to want for anyone that you kill), it doesn't make sense that eating a dead creature is worse than killing it.

I think it is ridiculous that murderhoboing is 'ok' but carving off a slice of protean that is already partially butchered is evil.

you're trying to put a materialistic utilitarian morality into a universe with spiritualism, magic, and objective morality.

Canibalism is an affront to the spirit of the being that you're eating. There's no problem when the animal doesn't get what you're doing to its body but when a being is smart enough to know its spirit knows, and it gets angry. This can sometimes result in the cannibal coming back as a ghoul (there's at least one pfs scenario where this happened)

Running the risk of starting a night of the living dead scenario with fast, smart zombi..erm. ghouls, for some spam is pretty evil.


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Belladonna DeCastri 12 wrote:

I think it's silly to claim cannibalism is evil.

Barring the possible interference with raise dead etc (which you aren't likely to want for anyone that you kill), it doesn't make sense that eating a dead creature is worse than killing it.

I think it is ridiculous that murderhoboing is 'ok' but carving off a slice of protean that is already partially butchered is evil.

Heh. I used to play a druid in a different campaign that spent most of the time in animal form. Would eat the bodies of the particularly troublesome fallen partly because it prevented Raise Dead. Also, feeling a bit peckish.

She kinda had a different morality than most folks. Nature isn't particularly nice.

-j

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Canibalism is an affront to the spirit of the being that you're eating. There's no problem when the animal doesn't get what you're doing to its body but when a being is smart enough to know its spirit knows, and it gets angry.

So if their stupid, it's okay? You may want to rethink this one.

I think corpse mutilation, without purpose, is an Evil action. No different than a causing pain, without purpose, to a living person.

Then again, I tend to play lawful alignments, so maybe the "without purpose" is more a lawful attitude....


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Cannibalism clearly isn't inherently evil, since lizardfolk partake in it and get away with being True Neutral.

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Murdock Mudeater wrote:


So if their stupid, it's okay? You may want to rethink this one.

HEY! I got the int 3 upgrade AND the rank in linguistics to understand a language

It just wasn't english.

The games morality has a pretty sharp divide between sentient and non sentient.

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I think corpse mutilation, without purpose, is an Evil action. No different than a causing pain, without purpose, to a living person.

Torture is a purpose too...

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Then again, I tend to play lawful alignments, so maybe the "without purpose" is more a lawful attitude....

damned lawful types.... :)

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Cannibalism clearly isn't inherently evil, since lizardfolk partake in it and get away with being True Neutral.

no, you are just missing part of the picture. While lizard folk do partake in the evil deed of cannibalism, they are also kind to kittens, feed the poor and hungry (lets not ask with what) and help little old ladies across the street, and thus commit enough good deeds to offset their evil ones.

(Tongue firmly in cheek.)


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Kobolds are simply too small for target practice. We're skin and bones. Minus the skin.

For a few silvers a day, less than the price of a bottle of applejack, you can provide for a starving kobold. Won't you look into the eyes of this kobold and say "yes, today is the day"?

Warning, do not approach kobolds and attempt to make eye contact. Doing so may result in perforation, incineration, incarceration, ringworm, death, or accidental loss of limb.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
The games morality has a pretty sharp divide between sentient and non sentient.

Yes and no. Yes, there is a clear line between sentient and non-sentient individuals in game mechanics. No, there aren't any clear lines on which races/creatures/types/subtypes are non-sentient.

Given that cannibalism is a question of race/species, using intelligence/sentience isn't a very good system.

Is an awakened tree growing out of a fallen log a cannibal? (Rhetorical) Pathfinder's setting doesn't work in terms of all things being a certain way. They have too many exceptions. Cannibalism is very much an all or nothing concept.

Now, having a moral issue with consuming the flesh of any/all sentient species could be a thing, but you'd have to pick a new name for that one because cannibalism is something else.

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Which makes the whole Barbarian Eat Em UP Archetype from Occult Adventures that is allowed all the more weirder and kind of scares me that they don't actually bother to read the material that they allow.

Interestingly, we do read and review the material quite closely, and over the past 6+ months, we have included numerous venture-officers in the process to help us consider new material from additional angles.

If you have questions about whether I have already commented publicly about why a character option is or is not legal, you need only ask.

Its less legality because for the most part I don't find that big of deal but more the whole rules interactions with PFS and the fact that the rules are sometimes nonexistent. The last part I find utterly frustrating because my newest PFS character is literally one that needs house rules that don't exist. Its not even subtle about it either as the house rule is how do you drain out copious amounts of blood out of a person without killing them.

Use a stirge, one point of Con damage, then kill it to get the blood it drained.

Apply Lesser Restoration to your party member.
All good.

Yeah that's what I figured though its something that really is such a ridiculous concept that I thought there were rules but nope. Somehow someway found the only valid Pathfinder Society Archetype where draining all of your blood (Note this is what I meant by copious) is relevant.


(Proviso: Evil Party Shenanigans...) We supplemented our diet in Way of the Wicked with whatever we could get our hands on, namely Triton that had attacked us en route to the optional baby seal clubbing for fun and profit.

Anything was better than eating the vile Lutefisk that the boat captain had... (the GM made the person who suggested it roll randomly to determine how much better it tasted, they rolled an 18, and so "Ah, but what does it taste like?" is just another dimension to playing a complete set of ****s...)
It tided us over till we could cook the sealmeat, and we flash-seared it like Tuna by using Burning Disarm on a metal object...

It may have started out of desperation, but it's sort of become an evil cookbook now.

However, Moon Dog and Deva aren't palatable to evil folks; too much Holy Smite flavor in the latter... (he rolled a 1 when tasting it, and instead got 4d8 damage)

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A long time ago, in the first edition of that other RPG, a group of adventurers were trapped in a dungeon on the wrong side of a one way teleport door... several ways in scattered around the world in ancient ruins, but the only way "out" was a Sphere of Annihilation.

Over the year of game time we spent digging out way out of that, my PC wrote a book of his experiences entitled "Adventures in Cooking". The only recipe I remember right now was "Stir fried Gnoll & Ginger" (Ginger being a guard dog one of the PCs arrived with...).

Ah, old fond memories...


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To touch on this because I feel the need to: In the Monster Codex a handful of "Evil Monsters" are known to cook and eat other races as among other things they do to whatever they capture alive. HOWEVER, I feel it is important to site that Lizardfolk, a predominantly pure neutral race, eat not only other races, but their own race in true cannibalism. They do so because their society doesn't let good meat go to waste and they allow it to contribute to the circle of life. It says the don't always do this, but they don't see it as evil. Dwarves also cook a lot of what they kill, they only don't cook orc's often because they taste awful. But this is just my two cents.

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Murdock Mudeater wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Canibalism is an affront to the spirit of the being that you're eating. There's no problem when the animal doesn't get what you're doing to its body but when a being is smart enough to know its spirit knows, and it gets angry.
So if their stupid, it's okay?

Awesome! Kobold is back on the menu!

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