Non-Shadowdancer Non-HiPS Stealth Questions


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Using the stealth skill is done differently at every table I visit.

If I have 3 attacks (+6/+6/+1 using rapid shot) and am attacking from inside an area that is in darkness. I have dark vision and my target does not. Do I get Sneak Attack on all attacks, 1 attack or two attacks.
It is clear that your stealth immediately ends if you make an attack roll. If I have full concealment do I get automatically stealthed between attacks? If I have two attacks that happen simultaneously do I break stealth after the pair of attacks?

Can I make stealth roll after a 5 ft step?

If you are invisible (greater invisibility) and your opponent knows where you are, when you move and make a successful stealth check, does your opponent know if you've taken a 5 ft step or a move action?

If I am invisible and the targets know I am present and what 5' square I occupy, I get +2 to my ranged attack.
If I am hidden and the targets don't know I'm present nor where I am, I get +0 to my ranged attack.
If I am hidden and the targets don't know I'm present nor where I am nor can the targets see into the space where I am due to darkness, I get +0 to my ranged attack.


Baitz wrote:
If I have 3 attacks (+6/+6/+1 using rapid shot) and am attacking from inside an area that is in darkness. I have dark vision and my target does not. Do I get Sneak Attack on all attacks, 1 attack or two attacks.

Only the first attack. After that your "stealth" is broken. However, you will still get the benefits of being in "Total Concealment" since your opponent still can't see you.

Baitz wrote:
It is clear that your stealth immediately ends if you make an attack roll.

Correct.

Baitz wrote:
If I have full concealment do I get automatically stealthed between attacks?

No. But you maintain the benefits of having Total Concealment due to the darkness.

Baitz wrote:
If I have two attacks that happen simultaneously do I break stealth after the pair of attacks?
You don't have two attacks happening simultaneously. Rapid shot gives you one additional attack, not two simultaneous attacks. You may be referring to Many Shot, which does give you two simultaneous attacks. However, the text in Many Shot also answers your question:
PRD/Many Shot wrote:
Apply precision-based damage (such as sneak attack) and critical hit damage only once for this attack.
Baitz wrote:
Can I make stealth roll after a 5 ft step?

Yes. The action requirement for using Stealth is: Usually none. Normally, you make a Stealth check as part of movement, so it doesn't take a separate action. However, using Stealth immediately after a ranged attack (see Sniping, above) is a move action.

The only time Stealth specifically requires a full Move Action is while Sniping. Normally it's done as part of a movement. A 5' step qualifies as a movement.

Baitz wrote:
If you are invisible (greater invisibility) and your opponent knows where you are, when you move and make a successful stealth check, does your opponent know if you've taken a 5 ft step or a move action?

No. They may have a decent guess, using metagame knowledge, knowing how many attacks you made that round, but they won't know which direction you moved in or how far you moved.

Baitz wrote:
If I am invisible and the targets know I am present and what 5' square I occupy, I get +2 to my ranged attack.

Yes.

Baitz wrote:
If I am hidden and the targets don't know I'm present nor where I am, I get +0 to my ranged attack.

Yes.

Baitz wrote:
If I am hidden and the targets don't know I'm present nor where I am nor can the targets see into the space where I am due to darkness, I get +0 to my ranged attack.

Yes.

Invisibility is the only thing that I am aware of, that states it gives you a +X to attacks. Other forms of concealment, and total concealment, only grant you the 20% or 50% miss chance.

Silver Crusade

Shadowlord wrote:
Baitz wrote:
If I have 3 attacks (+6/+6/+1 using rapid shot) and am attacking from inside an area that is in darkness. I have dark vision and my target does not. Do I get Sneak Attack on all attacks, 1 attack or two attacks.

Only the first attack. After that your "stealth" is broken. However, you will still get the benefits of being in "Total Concealment" since your opponent still can't see you.

Baitz wrote:
It is clear that your stealth immediately ends if you make an attack roll.

Correct.

Baitz wrote:
If I have full concealment do I get automatically stealthed between attacks?

No. But you maintain the benefits of having Total Concealment due to the darkness.

If he's standing in Darkness, he's counted as being invisible for each attack, so all three would be sneak attacks.

The Concordance

I agree with Shadowlord except with the amount of attacks that give you sneak attack. Even if you aren't stealthing, an opponent would be unable to react to an opponent he cannot see. They do not have line of sight to you. An opponent that is unable to react to an attack is dex-denied, so all of the attacks will get sneak attack.


Actually, you guys reminded me of something and you're right. If someone can't see in darkness they are "effectively blind" and the blinded condition means you lose your Dex to attackers you can't see.

I thought there was still a bonus from attacking from darkness but I couldn't find it while I was writing that post. Just remembered where it was when I read your posts. Thanks.

PRD/darkness wrote:
In areas of darkness, creatures without darkvision are effectively blinded.
PRD/blinded wrote:
The creature cannot see. It takes a –2 penalty to Armor Class, loses its Dexterity bonus to AC

I apologize for missing that earlier. I forgot where to find it.

Silver Crusade

Happens to all of us, I actually have a rule at my table, if you think I'm misremembering a rule, speak up.


Thank you

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