Wizard wants to bang his familiar...


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Okay so some backstory, my Wizard a cooky half elf teacher who thinks magic should only be used to help people and never hurt so he only uses illusions and outlaws evocation, he is our best roleplayer and a very fun character...

However, he met a Sprite he saved its life and a few diplomacy checks later it decided to follow him and live in his pocket, they made fast friends and a good duo and he decided to make her his familiar.

Now this is where things get weird, he has decided that this sprite would make a cooky little relationship if he married his little fey friend and I am curious if this has a precedent in any D&D or Paizo lore, a wizard banging his familiar... I have no idea how to handle this.

Were thinking of playing a campaign later as everyone's kids before he made this decision and so I have no idea what to do with a half fey quarter elf kid... what would that even be like? A mix breed of the highest order, would he as tall as the father? Or 9 inches tall like the mother? if he is tall would he have sprite wings? Or just look like an elf? would it even be possible?! I am sure with enlarge person and shape shifting spells it can be accomplished but would the offspring be mutated or what?!
A smooth ladys man fey blooded bard with fairy wings would be a cool character and all but I need to make sure its not done half assed.


Why not just Polymorph/enlarge/reduce into something more size-apropos for the banging?

You also don't have to worry about things like uh.

Any of the other complicated crossbreeding questions raised by this!

But if you must delve into this subject, there's a sourcebook out there somewhere for it, I'm sure. Or you could use the advanced race guide to just mash the races together into something balanced.


I mean, if you really want to delve into it, there's a book called Bastards & Bloodlines meant just for this. It goes into exactly what types of characters can/can't produce offspring. It's a 3rd party book from 3.5, actually. If they come out as a particular kind of creature, it'll even tell you what it is.

I'd... recommend not delving too far into this, because you're likely to run into... less savory source books. If you don't find that, I'd second just building it in the race builder.

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I'd recommend adoption.


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Yeah, go for the race builder option. And if you try to delve down deeper into this, especially going into 3.5E, you'll come across a book called the Book of Erotic Fantasy (I think, don't have it on my laptop and don't feel like digging out my hard drive with my books on it.) And while it would have pretty much everything you'd need, it is very...NSFW.

Though it does have a highly amusing comic at the very end of it about gaming nerds bringing sex into their game play.


Would he be born with Wings or maybe give him a spell to summon wings?


And that kids is how a feyborn is appears lols.

Check out heroes of the wild OP.


DekoTheBarbarian wrote:

Yeah, go for the race builder option. And if you try to delve down deeper into this, especially going into 3.5E, you'll come across a book called the Book of Erotic Fantasy (I think, don't have it on my laptop and don't feel like digging out my hard drive with my books on it.) And while it would have pretty much everything you'd need, it is very...NSFW.

Though it does have a highly amusing comic at the very end of it about gaming nerds bringing sex into their game play.

Fortunately for you, Bastion Girl, you don't have to go digging because I have the book on my hard drive and will look for you. Now, there's a fair bit of NSFW stuff in the book, but there's also a lot of stuff that actually is useful, things about probabilities of pregnancy, crossbreeding, that sort of thing. So, here goes.

There's a pair of tables discussing what species can breed with which other species, along with the chances of pregnancy and, though it doesn't have all the species, it does have both half-elves and sprites. According to these tables, half-elves and sprites are capable of breeding (I would assume through some variety of size-changing magic- fey are like that)
Also according to these tables, sprites are among the races that get to choose if they become pregnant or not. If they don't want it (and it's not with another one of those races that also gets to choose), then it doesn't happen, and if they do want it to happen (and, again, the partner isn't a race with a similar ability), then it happens. (If both participants can choose, and they disagree, then it's opposed will saves, higher gets to choose)
So, let's assume the sprite decides that yes, this is happening. You'll probably want to use the race builder, but here's what BoEF (which, again, is a third-party book for 3.5) has to say. Please note that BoEF introduced an appearance stat, which is a stupid idea that nobody pays attention to because it's stupid.
Feykissed: an inherited template for, well, creatures with fey blood.
Type changes to Fey
+2 Appearance, +2 Cha, -2 Str, -2 Con
+2 racial bonus to Escape Artist, Hide, Spot, and Listen.
Retains base creature special qualities and gains low-light vision if it doesn't have it already
Perform is always a class skill
Never suffers an Appearance penalty with members of different races
DR, based on HD, all bypassed by cold iron. 1-5HD=1 point, 6-10HD=5 points, 11-15=10 points, 16-20=15 points.
Fascinate once a day, as the bard ability, provided they have at least 5HD and 3 ranks in Perform
At 10 or more HD, they can Charm Monster once daily, with a save based on Appearance.
CR +0, LA+1

Not sure if this'll help, or how much it'll help, but there you go. Now you at least have it, if you want to ignore or cannibalize it.

Shadow Lodge

Suggesting the kid take the Fey bloodline somehow (sorcerer or bloodrager class, Eldritch Heritage feats, or variant multiclass sorcerer) is also appropriate.

Bastion Girl wrote:
Would he be born with Wings or maybe give him a spell to summon wings?

I would go with vestigal wings giving a +2 bonus to fly checks, with the option to take a feat or feat chain to get actual flight. A single feat available no earlier than 5th level could grant a very limited form of flight (see Tengu Wings), or a longer chain with modestly useful prerequisites could grant a better speed or ability to fly continuously (see Angel Wings).


Fey Creature Outline

Fey Taken

Fey Foundling


He should look into researching some new size change spells, similar to enlarge and reduce person. I wouldn't make the research difficult, as long as the new spells aren't able to be "weaponized". You should let him do whatever he wants, as long as it's strictly for role-play and doesn't involve you role-playing his little fey wife.


Ciaran Barnes wrote:
He should look into researching some new size change spells, similar to enlarge and reduce person. I wouldn't make the research difficult, as long as the new spells aren't able to be "weaponized". You should let him do whatever he wants, as long as it's strictly for role-play and doesn't involve you role-playing his little fey wife.

I agree with this. Though maybe do it in the epilogue of the campaign so that you don't need to worry about the consequences. So after you epilogue magic her into a full-size half-elf then make the child a feyblood sorcerer.


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Have the sprite dip herself is previously allocated reproductive fluids.

Then she could lay an egg or something. That or the baby could start REAL small and then keep growing to normal-ish size.

Obviously this is how gnomes were made.


This actually was in one of the D&D novels ( I think it was an old Greylock novel). I can't for the life of me remember which one.

Basically, yeah, it boiled down to the Size Tiny Fey (Pixie I believe in the book) needing potions of Enlarge Person to become, essentially, Size Small for... relationship... activities.

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Dexion1619 wrote:

This actually was in one of the D&D novels ( I think it was an old Greylock novel). I can't for the life of me remember which one.

Basically, yeah, it boiled down to the Size Tiny Fey (Pixie I believe in the book) needing potions of Enlarge Person to become, essentially, Size Small for... relationship... activities.

It's the three* Justicar novels, by Paul Kidd. Excellent books. ^_^

*(Specifically, White Plume Mountain, Descent Into The Depths Of The Earth, and Queen Of The Demonweb Pits.)

Also, technically, they're faerie-to-human-size growth potions. The books were written at least partially in Second Edition.

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Buy a Lesser rod of Extend.

Enlarge Person the Familiar....Reduce person the caster...They meet in the middle at Small..

You have 2 x CL minutes to get freaky that day.

That keeps them both as the same race ext ext as base.

Like others said you can polymorph the familiar with more powerful spells like Polymorph, Alter self...hell if you want you could both use Form of the dragon and have some earth shaking freakishness going on.


It's super easy. Buy/make a greater hat of disguise sized for sprite. Now they can change into a small/medium sized humanoid.

As to offspring, Note Gnome Alternate Racial Traits: Fey Magic and Fey Thoughts. Distant heritages from Bastards of Golarion also give guidelines for common features and powers of crossbreeds.


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Hmmmmm....

This smacks of a certain short story by Piers Anthony in his book Anthonology. Fun book. Very odd at times, but fun.

I recommend it for this guy (if he's at least 17).


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Sprites in lore are not exactly the type for a committed relationship... any lore for that matter. I honestly can't think of a series in which they were.

JDPhipps wrote:

I mean, if you really want to delve into it, there's a book called Bastards & Bloodlines meant just for this. It goes into exactly what types of characters can/can't produce offspring. It's a 3rd party book from 3.5, actually. If they come out as a particular kind of creature, it'll even tell you what it is.

I'd... recommend not delving too far into this, because you're likely to run into... less savory source books. If you don't find that, I'd second just building it in the race builder.

Oh, I know this one! It's called the Book of Eroti-

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Kalindlara wrote:
Dexion1619 wrote:

This actually was in one of the D&D novels ( I think it was an old Greylock novel). I can't for the life of me remember which one.

Basically, yeah, it boiled down to the Size Tiny Fey (Pixie I believe in the book) needing potions of Enlarge Person to become, essentially, Size Small for... relationship... activities.

It's the three* Justicar novels, by Paul Kidd. Excellent books. ^_^

*(Specifically, White Plume Mountain, Descent Into The Depths Of The Earth, and Queen Of The Demonweb Pits.)

Also, technically, they're faerie-to-human-size growth potions. The books were written at least partially in Second Edition.

Gygax had books with a Harpy-Human and a temporarily Bafeul Polymorphed human and a wolf.


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I shag everything! Every-thing!

Seriously, read one of my books, bet you can't make it ten pages before I whip it out. While smoking hella pipe and throwing s%%% at Lhaeo.

That's just what Elminster does.


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Elmo wrote:

I shag everything! Every-thing! Seriously, read one of my books, bet you can't make it ten pages before I whip it out. While smoking hella pipe and throwing s&~% at Lhaeo.

That's just what Elminster does.

Now I've got you! Meteor Swarm

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The Mortonator wrote:
Sprites in lore are not exactly the type for a committed relationship... any lore for that matter. I honestly can't think of a series in which they were.

The Way Of Kings, by Brandon Sanderson.

Also, if pictsies count as sprites (don't let them hear that!) then Discworld by Terry Pratchett.

And of course good ol' Tinkerbell.

...but yeah, it's pretty rare.


Kurald Galain wrote:
And of course good ol' Tinkerbell.

Don't even get me started on how wrong that is. XD


The Mortonator wrote:
Kurald Galain wrote:
And of course good ol' Tinkerbell.
Don't even get me started on how wrong that is. XD

Actually they dwelt on that topic briefly in Hook. She turned big for Peter, but he was oblivious. So sad.


knightnday wrote:
The Mortonator wrote:
Kurald Galain wrote:
And of course good ol' Tinkerbell.
Don't even get me started on how wrong that is. XD
Actually they dwelt on that topic briefly in Hook. She turned big for Peter, but he was oblivious. So sad.

I've seen Hook, but keep in mind, that's a extremely late version of Tinkerbell. It takes the already modest version of the Disney movie and goes less... erradict with it. More traditionally Tinkerbell wouldn't have lived that long and would've partied it up while she did live. Even the first Disney Tinkerbell isn't so much loyal as jealous. Fairies only have room for one emotion in their heart, if someone other than Pan had walked by and been hot she would've switched without remembering who he even is.


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Bastion Girl wrote:

Okay so some backstory, my Wizard a cooky half elf teacher who thinks magic should only be used to help people and never hurt so he only uses illusions and outlaws evocation, he is our best roleplayer and a very fun character...

However, he met a Sprite he saved its life and a few diplomacy checks later it decided to follow him and live in his pocket, they made fast friends and a good duo and he decided to make her his familiar.

Now this is where things get weird, he has decided that this sprite would make a cooky little relationship if he married his little fey friend and I am curious if this has a precedent in any D&D or Paizo lore, a wizard banging his familiar... I have no idea how to handle this.

See Monster Girl Quest, then Fairies.

Perverted as hell games aside, it is possible. I'd say make it so if he wants to get down with his familiar, suggest that he might need to get permission (and help) from the Fey Courts to make sure nothing unexpected and potentially lethal happens.
The Fairy Queens of Golarion are far more powerful than their stat-blocks would suggest, and it is entirely possible that they could give the pixie an at-will SLA that turns her master into someone who is the same size as herself for an indefinite period of time. Just add some sort of stipulation that the spell is very fragile and taking advantage of the spell for anything beyond foreplay/sex is probably going to cause it to end immediately, E.G. casting disintegrate at a massive bonus for being the size of a pixie.

As for his son/daughter, use race builder and build a fey/half-fey. Don't let the player build the race.


Alex12 wrote:
Also according to these tables, sprites are among the races that get to choose if they become pregnant or not. If they don't want it (and it's not with another one of those races that also gets to choose), then it doesn't happen, and if they do want it to happen (and, again, the partner isn't a race with a similar ability), then it happens. (If both participants can choose, and they disagree, then it's opposed will saves, higher gets to choose)

Something I disagree with--I would say that a race that can choose actually has voluntary control over the release of sperm and egg. Conception can only happen if both choose it as both must release reproductive materials for it to be possible.

As for the Book of Erotic Fantasy that has been repeatedly mentioned--I would say it's a good collection of ideas on incorporating sexual stuff into a campaign but the actual mechanics were never properly balanced, don't actually use the material without a lot of care!


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Taku Ooka Nin wrote:
Bastion Girl wrote:

Okay so some backstory, my Wizard a cooky half elf teacher who thinks magic should only be used to help people and never hurt so he only uses illusions and outlaws evocation, he is our best roleplayer and a very fun character...

However, he met a Sprite he saved its life and a few diplomacy checks later it decided to follow him and live in his pocket, they made fast friends and a good duo and he decided to make her his familiar.

Now this is where things get weird, he has decided that this sprite would make a cooky little relationship if he married his little fey friend and I am curious if this has a precedent in any D&D or Paizo lore, a wizard banging his familiar... I have no idea how to handle this.

See Monster Girl Quest, then Fairies.

Perverted as hell games aside, it is possible. I'd say make it so if he wants to get down with his familiar, suggest that he might need to get permission (and help) from the Fey Courts to make sure nothing unexpected and potentially lethal happens.
The Fairy Queens of Golarion are far more powerful than their stat-blocks would suggest, and it is entirely possible that they could give the pixie an at-will SLA that turns her master into someone who is the same size as herself for an indefinite period of time. Just add some sort of stipulation that the spell is very fragile and taking advantage of the spell for anything beyond foreplay/sex is probably going to cause it to end immediately, E.G. casting disintegrate at a massive bonus for being the size of a pixie.

As for his son/daughter, use race builder and build a fey/half-fey. Don't let the player build the race.

Check out some fairy tales for fey/human stuff. quite often there is a certain thign that must not be doen(Say the word death, watch them bathing) or else the fey leaves.

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Loren Pechtel wrote:


Something I disagree with--I would say that a race that can choose actually has voluntary control over the release of sperm and egg. Conception can only happen if both choose it as both must release reproductive materials for it to be possible.

That's only according to real-world biology. Mythology has a rather different opinion on the subject.


DekoTheBarbarian wrote:

Yeah, go for the race builder option. And if you try to delve down deeper into this, especially going into 3.5E, you'll come across a book called the Book of Erotic Fantasy (I think, don't have it on my laptop and don't feel like digging out my hard drive with my books on it.) And while it would have pretty much everything you'd need, it is very...NSFW.

Though it does have a highly amusing comic at the very end of it about gaming nerds bringing sex into their game play.

Book of Erotic Fantasy is a very well written piece of work, actually...

Yes, it is adult content, but we have actually used it in many of our games, I HIGHLY recommend it!


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No one touches the Faerie!

Sincerely,
Escalla, the Faerie

P.S.

HI! CINDERS BURN!!!!!!!

(in all seriousness I would go with race builder and 10-12 points, traits of both parents races available via ala carte)


alexd1976 wrote:
DekoTheBarbarian wrote:

Yeah, go for the race builder option. And if you try to delve down deeper into this, especially going into 3.5E, you'll come across a book called the Book of Erotic Fantasy (I think, don't have it on my laptop and don't feel like digging out my hard drive with my books on it.) And while it would have pretty much everything you'd need, it is very...NSFW.

Though it does have a highly amusing comic at the very end of it about gaming nerds bringing sex into their game play.

Book of Erotic Fantasy is a very well written piece of work, actually...

Yes, it is adult content, but we have actually used it in many of our games, I HIGHLY recommend it!

High level Imagist + Beauty's Caress + Rod of Lesser Maximize.

It's got balance problems. It went to press too early.


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Then again, maybe the wizard has no problem banging his little pixie familiar and is happy that she, unlike other women, don't laugh at him when he pulls down his trousers.
=D


If you want to freak him out, make fae reproduce the same way the Aliens do.


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Goddity wrote:
If you want to freak him out, make fae reproduce the same way the Aliens do.

If at least one PC doesn't react like this I'd be profoundly disappointed.


Loren Pechtel wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:
DekoTheBarbarian wrote:

Yeah, go for the race builder option. And if you try to delve down deeper into this, especially going into 3.5E, you'll come across a book called the Book of Erotic Fantasy (I think, don't have it on my laptop and don't feel like digging out my hard drive with my books on it.) And while it would have pretty much everything you'd need, it is very...NSFW.

Though it does have a highly amusing comic at the very end of it about gaming nerds bringing sex into their game play.

Book of Erotic Fantasy is a very well written piece of work, actually...

Yes, it is adult content, but we have actually used it in many of our games, I HIGHLY recommend it!

High level Imagist + Beauty's Caress + Rod of Lesser Maximize.

It's got balance problems. It went to press too early.

It wasn't written for Pathfinder, balance problems were rampant in 3.x :) Obviously certain combinations need to be vetoed if using this in Pathfinder.


Like, how does this pregnancy work??
Okay, so spell effects wear off! The Fey is going to revert back to Tiny, and she'll still be pregnant with Medium-sized child.
Uh...
...
...
o_o


Neo2151 wrote:

Like, how does this pregnancy work??

Okay, so spell effects wear off! The Fey is going to revert back to Tiny, and she'll still be pregnant with Medium-sized child.
Uh...
...
...
o_o

Magic.

Grand Lodge

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Why would the child be Medium-sized?


Couldn't some Faery queen give the happy couple a child to raise, since obviously they can't have kids of their own?


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Why would the child be Medium-sized?

Even if it's intermediate, you have Tiny and Small that are still larger than the mother

Grand Lodge

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Why would the child be Small size?


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Can we just say they triggered an underflow error and make the child colossal?


Neo2151 wrote:

Like, how does this pregnancy work??

Okay, so spell effects wear off! The Fey is going to revert back to Tiny, and she'll still be pregnant with Medium-sized child.

Permanency on Enlarge Person costs 2500 gold and requires a caster level of 9. The "Mountain Man" card in the Deck of Many things will permanently increase your size another rating. Combine the two and the Sprite is a Medium creature forever.

I mean, if the two of them really love each other, they'll do these sorts of things for each other. Maybe they compromise where the Mage moves down a size category and the sprite moves up so the kid will be sized small.

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Trinam wrote:
Can we just say they triggered an underflow error and make the child colossal?

Now THAT is a character backstory!


Personally i would just make a feyborn of whatever race the father was , be it medium/small...


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Trinam wrote:
Can we just say they triggered an underflow error and make the child colossal?

If he had an underflow error why would there be a conception in the first place? :)


I want to commend the OP on using the word "bang" in the thread title instead of ****.


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Well...I suppose the fey-bloodlined sorcerers needed to have their fey blood come from somewhere...

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