Your favorite character, in PF terms, is a caster ad / or armored. Deal with it.


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Arachnofiend wrote:
Nocte ex Mortis wrote:
I'm.... not sure Pathfinder can accurately describe Saitama.
Level 20/Mythic 10 Fighter with Mythic Vital Strike in a world where almost everyone else caps out at level 15.

his author had stated that saitama has half the force of the big bang within one of his fist, the other half in his other fist.

Many of the characters in ONE are just beyond PF representation. Saitama is easier because he is represented quite well as a commoner with unlimited levels.


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Hardly unlimited levels. He doesn't have near that many skill ranks to be that.

Alignment:
CG

Stats:
Strength = more or less infinite
Dexterity = really, really high
Constitution = also really, really high
Intelligence = within a few steps of average
Wisdom = also within a few steps of average, maybe higher
Charisma = close to average, perhaps below

Skills:
Whatever you use to play videogames = 1 rank in it?
Whatever you use to cook = 1 rank in it?
Acrobatics = Lots and lots of ranks (Enough to break moon gravity)
Bluff = A fair number of ranks
Sense Motive = None


Provenance wrote:
Conan = Barbarian, true. Elric = Caster (multi-classed), also true. Lestat = Undead w/ maybe psionics, meh. But what about poor Frodo? He's got nada...

Conan is a multiclass caster in the cartoons (later on he is trained to do spirit animal summoning).

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Torbyne wrote:
In fact the non magic and unarmored stereotype, usually some kind of "blademaster" is my favorite character concept that Pathfinder cant do any justice to. The Unchained monk with a Nine-ring Broadsword is as close as i've seen at that is an extremely niche build. So i'd say my favorite characters, in Pathfinder terms, cant be built in Pathfinder.

There's some good 3pp options that do it. The Swordmaster from Dreadfox Games is probably the best example.


I don't think Cassandra Alexandra is a caster, and she relies more on avoiding attacks than heavy armour. Also she fights opponents of equal or greater skill.

I guess you can't win them all.


Starbuck_II wrote:

Provenance wrote:

Conan = Barbarian, true. Elric = Caster (multi-classed), also true. Lestat = Undead w/ maybe psionics, meh. But what about poor Frodo? He's got nada...

Conan is a multiclass caster in the cartoons (later on he is trained to do spirit animal summoning).

I was thinking the Howard/Carter/deCamp version from the pulp serials, but your point that he's been reinterpreted (probably more times than I'm aware of) is well taken.

But to the OP's point, that would make him a bit of a caster, no? I was sorta giving the OP a win on him anyhow - not a (major) caster and not really armored (usually) either but just on the basis that in general he "fits his stereotype" pretty well.

He does fight a fairly wide variety of CR's though (over the course of 12 books + then a bunch more books other folks wrote + comics + 2 movies, etc...)


Ssalarn wrote:
Torbyne wrote:
In fact the non magic and unarmored stereotype, usually some kind of "blademaster" is my favorite character concept that Pathfinder cant do any justice to. The Unchained monk with a Nine-ring Broadsword is as close as i've seen at that is an extremely niche build. So i'd say my favorite characters, in Pathfinder terms, cant be built in Pathfinder.
There's some good 3pp options that do it. The Swordmaster from Dreadfox Games is probably the best example.

*sigh* so another 3PP that gets that there is a desire for the concept but still nothing from Paizo. if i find another GM who would allow 3PP and is setting up for a long haul campaign i would invest in something like that. Until then... more being quietly sad that there are still so many characters i want to play that cannot be done in Pathfinder.

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Torbyne wrote:
Ssalarn wrote:
Torbyne wrote:
In fact the non magic and unarmored stereotype, usually some kind of "blademaster" is my favorite character concept that Pathfinder cant do any justice to. The Unchained monk with a Nine-ring Broadsword is as close as i've seen at that is an extremely niche build. So i'd say my favorite characters, in Pathfinder terms, cant be built in Pathfinder.
There's some good 3pp options that do it. The Swordmaster from Dreadfox Games is probably the best example.
*sigh* so another 3PP that gets that there is a desire for the concept but still nothing from Paizo. if i find another GM who would allow 3PP and is setting up for a long haul campaign i would invest in something like that. Until then... more being quietly sad that there are still so many characters i want to play that cannot be done in Pathfinder.

Buy it for the GM as a gift. There's a big difference between a 3pp book you (the player) are interested in, and a really cool supplement the GM has readily to hand. I myself was a GM who was very leery of 3pp materials until Dreamscarred's "Ultimate Psionics" and Alluria's "Cerulean Seas" opened my mind up to how great some of the materials out there are. Another GM in my area didn't allow 3pp materials in his games, I gifted him copies of Amora Games' "Liber Influxus Communis" and Rogue Genius Games' "Adventurer's Handbook", and now he's on like the 5th campaign where he's allowed 3pp classes and options.

Our local game store also has been spreading the use of a lot of 3pp materials in the community since they started stocking Legendary Games books and people saw that many of the 3pp designers are the same freelancers who write for Paizo.

4 years ago or so, I didn't allow 3pp materials at all, now I can't imagine the game without many of the amazing options I've found amongst them.


Samurai Jack and The Scotsman need no armor. Though I will concede the point about mooks, Aku fights aside.


Guan Yu is full martial, at least until he becomes a god.
Given his massive amount of feats, probably a fighter.


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Mat Cauthon is the poster boy for why martial characters need a means of controlling the story. He wouldn't be nearly as interesting without his luck to manipulate events.


Rhedyn wrote:
Arachnofiend wrote:
Nocte ex Mortis wrote:
I'm.... not sure Pathfinder can accurately describe Saitama.
Level 20/Mythic 10 Fighter with Mythic Vital Strike in a world where almost everyone else caps out at level 15.

his author had stated that saitama has half the force of the big bang within one of his fist, the other half in his other fist.

Many of the characters in ONE are just beyond PF representation. Saitama is easier because he is represented quite well as a commoner with unlimited levels.

What I find is funny that the whole point of One Punch Man is to make fun of power levels and make them useless, but as always, for so many people arguing over power levels in One punch man universe became their prime hobby.

Not to blame you people because giving things stats is like a d20 infected habit, but just an observation.


I could probably contribute to the thread better if I understood what a “caster AD” would be in Pathfinder terms. I get the impression that maybe the OP is looking for an unarmored martial PC who fights mostly mooks? Is that accurate, or is my lack of gaming vocabulary leading me astray here?


Devilkiller wrote:
I could probably contribute to the thread better if I understood what a “caster AD” would be in Pathfinder terms. I get the impression that maybe the OP is looking for an unarmored martial PC who fights mostly mooks? Is that accurate, or is my lack of gaming vocabulary leading me astray here?

I'm fairly certain he had a typo omitting the "n" in "and", based on the following forward slash with the word "or" immediately after. The confusion is understandable.


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Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
Samurai Jack and The Scotsman need no armor. Though I will concede the point about mooks, Aku fights aside.

Some of the most famous episodes are Jack vs. giant enemy horde, but he has fought and bested some very high level things.

-Aku in episode 1
-The three blind archers
-An evil copy of himself
-The Lava Monster
-The Scotsman
-The Three Elementals that guarded the Jewel of Neptune
-The Ultrarobots were certainly high level, but it's debatable if he counts as a caster for calling upon the power of his ancestors to slice through them.
-DEMONGO THE SOUL COLLECTOR.
-This thing from the haunted house episode

and that's not even everything. Hopefully we get even more high-level, martial, unarmored battles in the coming season.


lucky7 wrote:
Logan Ninefingers is not a caster by any definition of the word.

Except that one time he extracted a fire spirit and held it under his tongue in the original trilogy. I seem to recall him spitting the fire out later. Has to have at least 1 level in something magical, or a VMC . . .


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UMC doesn't count as full caster though ;). Simple trait and a couple of skill points can go a long way.


Derfel Cadarn, one of my favourite characters in any novel is some combination of ranger/barbarian or fighter. I favour ranger fighter. He prays extensively hence the ranger but is a kick ass warrior.

Isn't it funny how almost all peoples favourite characters are martials?


Most of my favorite characters would be more manifester than caster...

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Yes, Sparhawk is most definitely a paladin.


I'd say Conan is mostly a slayer. I've read a lot of the Howard stories a long time ago and don't remember him ever raging.


The truth is all your leaders, schemers, and fighters with mystic abilities are all based on political power, information, influence, and lackies. It's just not something will modeled by PF; but it would fun if they could figure out a way to do so.


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Create Mr. Pitt wrote:
The truth is all your leaders, schemers, and fighters with mystic abilities are all based on political power, information, influence, and lackies. It's just not something will modeled by PF; but it would fun if they could figure out a way to do so.

I think they want to do this with Ultimate Intrigue but we'll see how it turns out. Handling non-combat situations is one of the biggest weaknesses of Pathfinder so an entire book devoted to it is certainly warranted.

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I dunno...I mean, I guess the incredible Hulk has a supernatural shapeshifting ability and the ability to see creatures in the ethereal plane, but I always imagined him as some sort of variant barbarian whose rage powers grew more potent with anger.

I guess you could argue that Bruce Banner is a spellcasters whose magic is reflavored as technology - I mean, the guy did once trap Mephisto in what was basically a bag of holding. Still, I would probably make him an expert with a bunch of technology crafting feats.

Also, I don't think that guys like Thor and the Juggernaut count as low-level mooks. However, Wolverine always did kinda strike me as a PC who looked good on paper but who only manages to make meaningful contributions because the GM bends over backwards to accommodate him.


Wolverine has +(something) Keen Adamantine (claws?) and Tarrasque regeneration. He's not as effective or mobile as casters/pseudocasters like Thor (Cleric or Warpriest) or Iron Man (Synthesist Summoner), but that's mostly a martial/caster problem.

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