Using Elemental Fist without Elemental Strike


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I'm interested in building a Monk of the Four Winds, but the builds I've seen have me confused. Based on the description for Elemental Fist, it looks like it needs the feat Elemental Strike to work, but nobody's build includes EStrike.

Elemental Fist:
You empower your strike with elemental energy.

Prerequisites: Con 13, Wis 13, Improved Unarmed Strike, base attack bonus +8.

Benefit: When you use Elemental Strike pick one of the following energy types: acid, cold, electricity, or fire. On a successful hit, the attack deals damage normally plus 1d6 points of damage of the chosen type. You must declare that you are using this feat before you make your attack roll (thus a failed attack roll ruins the attempt). You may attempt an Elemental Fist attack once per day for every four levels you have attained (see Special), and no more than once per round.

Special: A monk of the four winds receives Elemental Fist as a bonus feat at 1st level, even if he does not meet the prerequisites. A monk may attempt an Elemental Fist attack a number of times per day equal to his monk level, plus one more time per day for every four levels he has in classes other than monk.


Elemental Strike:
You draw upon your extraplanar heritage to imbue your weapons with elemental energies.

Prerequisite(s): Ifrit, oread, sylph, or undine.

Benefit(s): As a swift action, you can imbue your weapons with elemental energy. For 1 round, your weapons deal an additional 1 point of energy damage. The type of energy damage depends on your race: acid for oread, electricity for sylph, fire for ifrit, or cold for undine. For every 5 levels you possess, this bonus increases by 1, to a maximum of +5 at 20th level.

Special: You can use this feat instead of Arcane Strike to qualify for or attack with the Deadly Dealer feat.


Monk of the Four Winds says it gets EFist as a bonus feat for free, but EFist also specifies "when you use Elemental Strike." If that's the case, why doesn't MotFW give EStrike as a bonus feat?
Assuming you don't worry about EStrike, how does activating EFist work? Swift action, as specified in EStrike? Always on?

Maybe I'm overcomplicated it, since I couldn't find any similar questions or errata. It could also be a d20pfsrd transcription error: the style feats that require EFist are from Ultimate Combat, but EStrike's source is listed as Inner Sea Races, which was published well after Ultimate Combat. What do folks think?


The Elemental Fist feat is from UC published in 2011 the APG published in 2010. The Elemental Strike feat is from Inner Sea Races published in 2015. Additionally, Elemental Strike requires that you be one of the races that weren't yet legal when UC came out. So Elemental Strike is definitely not a prerequisite for Elemental Fist.

The PRD also has the confusing wording. I think that they accidentally mixed in the wording from the "fluff" line - "You empower your strike with elemental energy" - with the wording of the feat description. I'm pretty sure it should read "Elemental Fist" rather than "Elemental Strike."

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Gisher wrote:

The Elemental Fist feat is from UC published in 2011. The Elemental Strike feat is from Inner Sea Races published in 2015. Additionally, Elemental Strike requires that you be one of the races that weren't yet legal when UC came out. So Elemental Strike is definitely not a prerequisite for Elemental Fist.

The PRD also has the confusing wording. I think that they accidentally mixed in the wording from the "fluff" line - "You empower your strike with elemental energy" - with the wording of the feat description. I'm pretty sure it should read "Elemental Fist" rather than "Elemental Strike."

Must've mixed the source up with the style feats I was looking at that use Fist as a prereq, thanks for the correction.

I popped open my physical copy of the APG, and it does in fact read "When you use Elemental Strike." Very strange. Maybe they meant to say "When you use an unarmed strike?"


Weirdly I keep finding two sources for Elemental Fist. First I thought it was from the APG then from UC. I don't have my books handy to check if it is in both or just one. Either way, Elemental Strike can't be a prerequisite.

Edit: Looks like it is the APG. I'm updating my previous post to reflect that.


It is actually a good question to FAQ in order to get the wording cleared up in an errata for the APG.

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