Destroy Item as Attack of Opportunity

[Seelenbarde]

After reading the FAQ i am not sure: Can i do a grapple Action with an Attack of Opportunity, like destroying a wizzards Scroll, he wants to use against me?

I know that i can trip as AOO and some other things as well..

i've asked that question before.. some time ago but i can't find the rules i am looking for to ensure it.

[Skizm]

Sunder is the maneuver you are looking for and yes you can do it.

[fretgod99]

You wouldn't use Grapple to destroy a scroll. You'd use either Sunder, to attack the held item, or Disarm, to knock the held item out of the target's hand.

Trip, Sunder, and Disarm you can make in place of attacks, so you can use those maneuvers in AoO. The same cannot be said of grappling, which is its own standard action. You cannot (typically) Grapple in place of a melee attack, so you cannot (typically) Grapple as an AoO.

EDIT: Ninja'd and all that ...

[Queen Moragan]

If he is not holding the scroll in his hands, you can also try to Steal it.

[voideternal]

Sunder replaces a melee attack, and therefore can be used with an Attack of Opportunity.
Steal is a standard action, and thus cannot be used with an Attack of Opportunity.

[Boomerang Nebula]

voideternal wrote:

Sunder replaces a melee attack, and therefore can be used with an Attack of Opportunity.

Steal is a standard action, and thus cannot be used with an Attack of Opportunity.

It would be good if Rogues were able to but not other classes. I might make it a house rule.

[TGMaxMaxer]

There is the Quick Steal feat, takes BAB +6 and Imp Steal. You can make a steal maneuver using you highest attack bonus in a full attack. So, steal his whatever, then proceed to hit him too. Bonus points for monks in a flurry so you still get another attack at highest.

Several Rogue archetypes allow steal or dirty trick in place of a sneak attack.

So if you were flanking, you could do it.

Or if they were flat-footed for some reason, such as sneaking up and grabbing wands/potions/scrolls off the enemy the surprise round. (Note, you can make a steal maneuver with a whip at reach, with a -4, but that makes it use the weapon so weapon bonuses would apply. Ergo, if you are good enough a wizards cmd will probably be something you can beat at reach, since mage armor, shield and most mage AC buffs wouldn't apply, and they are not known normally for being strong or dexterous.)

[Seelenbarde]

yes i mean sunder.. i mixed that up. thx. another question:
if my BAB is high enough, can i make multiple combat maneuver attempts? or has that to be the first attack i do (and the others won't happen)

[CampinCarl9127]

Yes, you can make multiple maneuvers from a high BaB as long as they are one of those three maneuvers.

For instance, a level 11 fighter could sunder, trip, and disarm all in one round (in any order). He could also replace any or all of those with normal attacks. However, keep in mind that if you use one of your iterative attacks to perform a maneuver, it also has the -5/-10/-15 that a normal iterative attack gets.

[James Risner]

Seelenbarde wrote:

yes i mean sunder.. i mixed that up. thx. another question:

if my BAB is high enough, can i make multiple combat maneuver attempts? or has that to be the first attack i do (and the others won't happen)

Multiple on a full attack? Yes at increasing -5 penalties.

Multiple on an Attack of Opportunity? No

[Imbicatus]

James Risner wrote:

Multiple on an Attack of Opportunity? No

Unless you have a fortuitous weapon.

It's also possible to have an action taken as an AoO generate additional AoOs. If you have Greater Trip and Viscous Stomp, and make a Trip attempt as an AoO, if successful that generates two additional AoOs when the opponent falls prone.

[voideternal]

Seelenbarde wrote:

if my BAB is high enough, can i make multiple combat maneuver attempts? or has that to be the first attack i do (and the others won't happen)

Yes, if the combat maneuver you are attempting replaces an attack.

Sunder wrote:

You can attempt to sunder an item held or worn by your opponent as part of an attack action in place of a melee attack.

No, if the combat maneuver you are attempting takes a standard action.

Grapple wrote:

As a standard action, you can attempt to grapple a foe...

So, depends on the Combat Maneuver.

[Seelenbarde]

ok, that seems clear. So i can sunder, trip, and disarm with any of my attacks as this actions replace that attack but i could only perform one Grapple in my round as this action does not replace my normal attack and needs an standard action.

[Imbicatus]

The only way to initiate a grapple off turn is if you have the grab ability or by using Snapping Turtle Clutch.

[voideternal]

Seelenbarde wrote:

ok, that seems clear. So i can sunder, trip, and disarm with any of my attacks as this actions replace that attack but i could only perform one Grapple in my round as this action does not replace my normal attack and needs an standard action.

Based on the core combat rules, yes. Of course, there are always exceptions. Imbicatus is raising a few of these.