So i was thinking of making a Caligni Kineticist with the leadership feat and i am wondering, how exactly would one work the followers if you wanted a cabal of Dark Folk instead of the usual townsfolk or cultists? They have racial CR as opposed to class levels so it is slightly confusing
So i was thinking of making a Caligni Kineticist with the leadership feat and i am wondering, how exactly would one work the followers if you wanted a cabal of Dark Folk instead of the usual townsfolk or cultists? They have racial CR as opposed to class levels so it is slightly confusing
Bestiaries suggest using CR as level equivalent, so assuming your GM allows it, just do that.
The followers granted by leadership are background characters that shouldn't contribute in any real meaningful mechanical way.
Call them darkfolk, done. They don't really get to do anything else aside from being window dressing when you visit them.
I would just say CR=level OP , like alex , but you should ask the GM.
The followers granted by leadership are background characters that shouldn't contribute in any real meaningful mechanical way.
Call them darkfolk, done. They don't really get to do anything else aside from being window dressing when you visit them.
You can rule that way , im currently playing one where they have sheets (atleast the ones over level 1 do and i got a 25+ score + suzerain scepter) , make rolls... all that.
I dont know any RAW that says they must just be window dressing , but maybe you can point to any.
I would suggest taking a look at the Leadership Handbook by Everyman Games (or Ultimate Charisma, which has even more stuff on top) for anyone looking to invest in the using the leadership rules. Loads of good advice on how to accommodate interesting followers.
Also, the advice on cohorts and followers in Ultimate Campaign is great.
A CR5 monster is supposedly equal to a Level 5 PC with full PC WBL. A Level 5 NPC with NPC wealth (about half PC WBL) is considered to be CR4.
As an additional restriction, monster companions should probably follow the restrictions for summoned creatures: no summoning, no SLAs that duplicate spells with expensive components, and no teleportation. Obviously, dark folk don't have issues there.
Bestiary 5 has a 0 HD dark folk race, though- you can just use that for your cabal!
Bestiary 5 has a 0 HD dark folk race, though- you can just use that for your cabal!
those are extremely rare though, and also thats what the PC is
I would just say CR=level OP , like alex , but you should ask the GM.
The followers granted by leadership are background characters that shouldn't contribute in any real meaningful mechanical way.
Call them darkfolk, done. They don't really get to do anything else aside from being window dressing when you visit them.
You can rule that way , im currently playing one where they have sheets (atleast the ones over level 1 do and i got a 25+ score + suzerain scepter) , make rolls... all that.
I dont know any RAW that says they must just be window dressing , but maybe you can point to any.
There's no raw that explicitly say window dressing, but they aren't effective in combat and aren't supposed to go adventuring with you. They're supposed to be used by GMs to give you plot hooks and minor benefits (like polishing your armor, giving you a place to sleep, free food/drinks).
Reading the entry in ultimate campaign about them, under companions under the campaign systems entry.
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I would just say CR=level OP , like alex , but you should ask the GM.
The followers granted by leadership are background characters that shouldn't contribute in any real meaningful mechanical way.
Call them darkfolk, done. They don't really get to do anything else aside from being window dressing when you visit them.
You can rule that way , im currently playing one where they have sheets (atleast the ones over level 1 do and i got a 25+ score + suzerain scepter) , make rolls... all that.
I dont know any RAW that says they must just be window dressing , but maybe you can point to any.
There's no raw that explicitly say window dressing, but they aren't effective in combat and aren't supposed to go adventuring with you. They're supposed to be used by GMs to give you plot hooks and minor benefits (like polishing your armor, giving you a place to sleep, free food/drinks).
Reading the entry in ultimate campaign about them, under companions under the campaign systems entry.
I usually allow them in combat. One fireball and they all die, then your reputation changes to someone who lets their followers die.
It's a self-regulating system. :D
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So i was thinking of making a Caligni Kineticist with the leadership feat and i am wondering, how exactly would one work the followers if you wanted a cabal of Dark Folk instead of the usual townsfolk or cultists? They have racial CR as opposed to class levels so it is slightly confusing
I don't use the leadership feat. If I want an NPC to have followers, he does. IF PC's want a loyal cohort, or an army, they earn one by roleplaying.
So i was thinking of making a Caligni Kineticist with the leadership feat and i am wondering, how exactly would one work the followers if you wanted a cabal of Dark Folk instead of the usual townsfolk or cultists? They have racial CR as opposed to class levels so it is slightly confusingI don't use the leadership feat. If I want an NPC to have followers, he does. IF PC's want a loyal cohort, or an army, they earn one by roleplaying.
well that is nice but its also not very helpful, I don't really like people who post just to say "we don't allow this is my game because xyz" , because all that does is make it sound like my group is playing the game wrong, which is untrue, i would very much appreciate if people didn't post responses like this in the future
well that is nice but its also not very helpful, I don't really like people who post just to say "we don't allow this is my game because xyz" , because all that does is make it sound like my group is playing the game wrong, which is untrue, i would very much appreciate if people didn't post responses like this in the futureSo i was thinking of making a Caligni Kineticist with the leadership feat and i am wondering, how exactly would one work the followers if you wanted a cabal of Dark Folk instead of the usual townsfolk or cultists? They have racial CR as opposed to class levels so it is slightly confusingI don't use the leadership feat. If I want an NPC to have followers, he does. IF PC's want a loyal cohort, or an army, they earn one by roleplaying.
You're not "playing the game wrong". Your problem is that you're asking a question that's outside the intended design space for the leadership feat, which was not intended to supply the feat taker with a horde of monsters, so that's really a question that's up to your GM.
Leadership has always been one of the more dicer feats for a camapaign, what you want makes it even more so, so it HAS to fall back to the particulars of the specific campaign instead of being a one size fits all answer you're looking for.
The way my DMs allowed followers to play is, they are considereD CR 1, so I could make lv.1 fighters, rogues, mages etc. They won't show up much of the time, nor are they great for combat or such, however, I'm going to be using my followers as information gatherer and spreaders, scouts, spies and in some cases local guards to ease potential legal problems I might run into. Maybe keep me out of the dungeon, or make my stay there shorter and safer.
He allows cr 1 creatures as well, so 10 of my spies/scouts are atomies.