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Ok, the feat True breed...
subtype (such as a ranger’s favored enemy and bane
weapons), you count as neither of your subtypes, and
you no longer count as either of your parent races for the
purposes of effects related to race (Emphasis mine
So is my reading of the feat's text that you no longer count as human or elf (for example) for FCB options seem a bit harsh or does it make sense?
It's not really harsh. You're spending a feat to effectively not count as having any sort of subtype. Unless you really need your FCB, it's a small price to pay to stymie Rangers and Inquisitors and other forms of racial descrimination.
In other words, a feat to make you immune to the racist card? Too damn good for what you "sacrifice".
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It's not really harsh. You're spending a feat to effectively not count as having any sort of subtype. Unless you really need your FCB, it's a small price to pay to stymie Rangers and Inquisitors and other forms of racial descrimination.
In other words, a feat to make you immune to the racist card? Too damn good for what you "sacrifice".
Oh it's a wonderful feat, and I normally take the skill point anyway. :-) I was just curious if I am being too harsh in my reading.
I would question whether an FCB is "an effect." Other than that, I think it's certainly a valid reading.
Favored Class
Each character begins play with a single favored class of his choosing—typically, this is the same class as the one he chooses at 1st level. Whenever a character gains a level in his favored class, he receives either + 1 hit point or + 1 skill rank. The choice of favored class cannot be changed once the character is created, and the choice of gaining a hit point or a skill rank each time a character gains a level (including his first level) cannot be changed once made for a particular level. Prestige classes (see Prestige Classes) can never be a favored class.
Favored Class Options
Instead of receiving an additional skill rank or hit point whenever he gains a level in a favored class, a dwarf has the option of choosing from a number of other bonuses, depending upon his favored class. The following options are available to all dwarves who have the listed favored class, and unless otherwise stated, the bonus applies each time you select the listed favored class reward.
So, the language in the APG racial FCBs does state that you have to be a member of the race. Clearly, a feat would be an effect (so no racial feats). I'm leaning towards the FCB being an effect, but I'm not sure.
I would question whether an FCB is "an effect." Other than that, I think it's certainly a valid reading.
Favored Class
Each character begins play with a single favored class of his choosing—typically, this is the same class as the one he chooses at 1st level. Whenever a character gains a level in his favored class, he receives either + 1 hit point or + 1 skill rank. The choice of favored class cannot be changed once the character is created, and the choice of gaining a hit point or a skill rank each time a character gains a level (including his first level) cannot be changed once made for a particular level. Prestige classes (see Prestige Classes) can never be a favored class.So, the language in the APG racial FCBs does state that you have to be a member of the race. Clearly, a feat would be an effect (so no racial feats). I'm leaning towards the FCB being an effect, but I'm not sure.Favored Class Options
Instead of receiving an additional skill rank or hit point whenever he gains a level in a favored class, a dwarf has the option of choosing from a number of other bonuses, depending upon his favored class. The following options are available to all dwarves who have the listed favored class, and unless otherwise stated, the bonus applies each time you select the listed favored class reward.
I'd like to think it is. An Effect, per the dictionary, refers to "a change that is a result or consequence of an action or other cause." So if I were a 6th level Human Sorcerer taking the Human FCB, I would have more spells known than any other standard Sorcerer, which is an effect (read: change from the standard) caused by taking the Human FCB.
So it makes perfect sense for FCB to be an effect related to race, especially when the effects of the FCB vary (or don't even exist) depending upon what race (or sub-type) you count as.
Corollary:
While this makes you neither elf not human, are you still Half-elf, for the purposes of (strictly) half-elf options (FCB, racial feats, etc.)?
No. Half-Elves are comprised of being both Elf and Human. If you aren't either, then you're neither half an Elf, nor half a Human, which means you can't sensibly be a Half-Elf.
For the purposes of any affect related to subtype, you count as neither of your subtypes, and you no longer count as either of your parent races for the purposes of effects related to race.Are FCBs dependent on subtype or race? Or either?
They are from either one. Look without the feat. You have Half-Elves, which have both Humanoid (Elf) and Humanoid (Human) sub-type. Because they possess the Humanoid (Human) sub-type, they can select the Human FCB, even though they aren't actually the Human race.
Similarly, Half-Orcs count as both Humanoid (Orc) and Humanoid (Human), and can select Orc-based archetypes, because their sub-type is related to the race required.
Now, when we add the feat, it says you don't count as having either subtype (Elf or Human), or count as being from either of your parent races (Elf or Human). This means that you can't select feats like Racial Heritage, or Breadth of Experience, whereas without the feat, you could, even though you aren't an actual Human.
**EDIT** FAQ for confirmation here.
For the purposes of any affect related to subtype, you count as neither of your subtypes, and you no longer count as either of your parent races for the purposes of effects related to race.Are FCBs dependent on subtype or race? Or either?
More dependent on the Elf Blood racial trait than anything else.
