Unchained Rage Powers for Core Barbarians?


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Would using the Unchained Rage power like the stances cause problems for Core Barbarians?

Simple Question not sure if it will be a simple Answer.

Thanks for your thoughts

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I haven't seen and official faq stating yes or no, but I asked this question earlier and was informed the stances and new rage powers are for the unchained barbarian


I know they are but what would be the problem for a home game using the stances and rage powers for non unchained barbs

Sovereign Court

There's virtually no difference between chained and unchained barbarians. If you're used to the core one the rage mode stats will be the same if you're barbarian is STR-based. The only thing unchained barbarians allow you to do is to have a Dex-based barbarian (could be interesting for elf and halfling barbarians in particular)

If you're making a STR barb, core or unchained stats are no different. So I'd recommend you use new unchained barb rage powers regardless (they're better).


Unchained Rage powers are too good (some of them) for the normal barbarian chassis and you could get into some situations where things can be stacked they wouldn't normally be able to be stacked for an unchained barbarian because they lose access to the old barbarian's rage powers.

It's best to keep them separate, sorry.

Scarab Sages

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

There's virtually no difference between chained and unchained barbarians. If you're used to the core one the rage mode stats will be the same if you're barbarian is STR-based.

If you're making a STR barb, core or unchained stats are no different. So I'd recommend you use new unchained barb rage powers regardless (they're better).

This is not true. Core Barbarian gets the benefit of 1.5 str bonus on two-handed weapons. Unchained Barbarian does not get 1.5 range bonus on two-handed weapons. Core Barbarian can use an adaptive longbow for archery with the benefit of their raging str bonus. Unchained rage bonuses only apply to melee and thrown weapons, not other ranged attacks.

This means that Core Barbarians are better at two-handed fighting and archer than unchained, and Unchained is better at two-weapon fighting and thrown wepaons than core.


There's a lot of downsides to having Rage not grant Str. I'll admit, temporary hit points are nice. But there's just so many side benefits to ability scores that I kinda hate unchained.

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Meh


I like the idea of the temporary hp for all rages does anyone see a problem with that? As long as you make the 1 min stipulation that the unchained barb has?


The Mortonator wrote:
There's a lot of downsides to having Rage not grant Str. I'll admit, temporary hit points are nice. But there's just so many side benefits to ability scores that I kinda hate unchained.

I don't see a lot of downsides, there are a few minor ones though but I think worth the trade though as moral bonus now stack with rage as Unchained rage isn't a moral bonus like the str bonus was. It's not huge or anything you lose this you gain that. Now if you play a barbarian potions heroism are useful.


Joey Virtue wrote:
I like the idea of the temporary hp for all rages does anyone see a problem with that? As long as you make the 1 min stipulation that the unchained barb has?

Yes. That's really the good part of the unchained barbarian (aside from a few unchained Rage Powers that are better). But those rage powers are better to make up for the fact that the UBarbarian's rage is worse (except for temp HP).

Personally I think they should strictly be treated as though they were separate classes and you shouldn't try mix and match abilities.

Scarab Sages

voska66 wrote:
The Mortonator wrote:
There's a lot of downsides to having Rage not grant Str. I'll admit, temporary hit points are nice. But there's just so many side benefits to ability scores that I kinda hate unchained.
I don't see a lot of downsides, there are a few minor ones though but I think worth the trade though as moral bonus now stack with rage as Unchained rage isn't a moral bonus like the str bonus was. It's not huge or anything you lose this you gain that. Now if you play a barbarian potions heroism are useful.

They always were useful. Old rage gave a morale bonus to STR, heroism give a moral bonus to hit and damage. They are bonuses to different things so they both apply.


Imbicatus wrote:
voska66 wrote:
The Mortonator wrote:
There's a lot of downsides to having Rage not grant Str. I'll admit, temporary hit points are nice. But there's just so many side benefits to ability scores that I kinda hate unchained.
I don't see a lot of downsides, there are a few minor ones though but I think worth the trade though as moral bonus now stack with rage as Unchained rage isn't a moral bonus like the str bonus was. It's not huge or anything you lose this you gain that. Now if you play a barbarian potions heroism are useful.
They always were useful. Old rage gave a morale bonus to STR, heroism give a moral bonus to hit and damage. They are bonuses to different things so they both apply.

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For those who don't totally understand, moral bonuses don't stack, but the moral bonus goes to your ability score. That's huge because to anything else it is converted into an ability score bonus and thus does stack with roughly everything. Normal rage has very few downsides on that front.


the issue was the overlap on your Will Save/all saves boost from rage/superstitious and heroism.

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