Explaining Ascetic style and it's chain.


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Ascetic style has two parts.

Apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike
as a prerequisite.
So dragon style and ferocity would boost the weapon's damage.
Stunning fist can be done with a weapon.
Vicious stomp could be done with a weapon.

effects that augment an unarmed strike. This is for things that MODIFY or CHANGE an unarmed strike.
Examples:
Monks have a different die size with their unarmed strikes.
Brawling armor adds +2 to attack and damage to unarmed strikes.
The fighter weapon training with unarmed strikes adds attack and damage.

Ascetic Form lets you treat the weapon as an unarmed strike for CLASS abilities that are only done with unarmed strikes. So if a class ability says, this can be done with an unarmed strike, it can be done with the weapon. These are things that aren't modifying or changing the unarmed strike, but things that require you to use an unarmed strike to get the benefit. You also count as monk levels for feats that get more uses for monks.
Examples:
This means the style strikes from the Unchained Monk which can only be done with an unarmed strike.
A Blood Conduit bloodrager's Spell Conduit can be done with the weapon which normally needed an unarmed strike.

Ascetic Strike gives you the Brawler’s close weapon mastery ability for your weapon. This part doesn't do anything if you already have improved unarmed strikes from your class like Monk or Sacred Fist Warpriest as the first feat covers those. So this feat is for all the other classes that don't. Also lets you qualify for Monastic Legacy.

This means that most of the benefit from this chain is in the first feat, especially for "Monk" classes.

The second feat is situational if you'll get any use from your class abilities, otherwise it's just getting monk levels.

The final feat does nothing for "monk" classes except let them qualify for Monastic Legacy, otherwise it's like getting the Warpriests Sacred weapon scaling damage for your weapon. Only useful if the weapon you're using has a low base damage die.


You are giving the impression that Ascetic Style can be used with the style feats in Ultimate Combat. I have read in other threads that this is simply not possible.

Unless you are using an archetype that can combine styles as one, then I might be missing something here. (I'm good at it)

If Ascetic Style is considered a Combat style (and its name suggests it) then it should follow the rules in Ultimate Combat. Or once again, am I missing something.


I don't think he is saying that you can automatically use Ascetic Style and Dragon Style together. I think he is saying that if you can use both at the same time (and I think a Master of Many Styles can) then the Dragon Style feats could be used with your chosen weapon.


You are correct that normally only one style at a time.

Master of many styles can do more, and there's a Fighter archetype in the weapon master book that can do more and a feat in that same book that lets you have this and another style up at the same time.


Chess Pwn wrote:

You are correct that normally only one style at a time.

Master of many styles can do more, and there's a Fighter archetype in the weapon master book that can do more and a feat in that same book that lets you have this and another style up at the same time.

Yes, the Varisian Free-style Fighter and the Weapon Style Mastery feat.


I just realized how nice a one level dip into Unarmed Fighter can be if you want to take these feats.

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