Snapping Turtle Clutch & Grabbing Style interaction in a grapple


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Snapping Turtle Style wrote:
Benefit: While using the Snapping Turtle Style feat with at least one hand free, you gain a +1 shield bonus to AC.
Snapping Turtle Clutch wrote:
Benefit: While you are using the Snapping Turtle Style feat, the shield bonus the style grants to your AC applies to your CMD and touch AC. Whenever an opponent misses you with a melee attack while you are using the Snapping Turtle Style feat, you can use an immediate action to attempt a grapple combat maneuver against that opponent, but with a –2 penalty.
Grabbing Style wrote:

Benefit: When you use this style, you do not take a –4 penalty on combat maneuver checks to grapple a foe with only one hand. Additionally, you do not lose your Dexterity bonus to AC while pinning an opponent.

Normal: Without two hands free, you take a –4 penalty on the combat maneuver roll to grapple a foe. While pinning a foe, you lose your Dexterity bonus to AC.

How would these two feats interact in a grappling situation if you have a MoMS with both styles active?

Scenario/Question 1: A grapples B with only one hand without any penalty due to Grabbing Style. This leaves one hand open and allows A to keep Snapping Turtle Style/Clutch active. C comes up to A and attacks; however, C's attack on A misses. Now, would A then be able to immediately attempt a grapple combat maneuver against C with the -2 penalty from Clutch? It's an immediate action and not an AoO.

Scenario/Question 2: Same circumstances as above, except now A has B 'Pinned' instead of simply 'Grappled'. Can A still make the immediate grapple combat maneuver?


Anyone?


One last ditch attempt...


Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

Question 1 I'd say yes, you can make the grapple attempt.

Question 2 I'm inclined to say yes, but I'd need to look over pinning again. Don't quite have the opportunity to glance at it.


Thanks for the reply, Lizardmage.

I'm a little on the fence with the Pinning option. I think it would be allowed with the two options active, because with Grabbing Style there is no difference for A whether A is grappling or pinning; however, I can also see where someone would also disagree. So... That's why I'm looking for some more input. Let me know what you think after reviewing the grappling rules!

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