Terminalmancer Venture-Captain, Pennsylvania—Pittsburgh |
Point :) I shall seriously consider it.
At the moment I am very busy with studying for a certification at work (as in one that takes 3-4 months to get ready for). After that is all done I will be building in a few new features.
Thanks for the suggestion! :)
Thanks again. Good luck with the cert!
BretI Venture-Lieutenant, Minnesota—Minneapolis |
BretI Venture-Lieutenant, Minnesota—Minneapolis |
Hey,
It is in the database, but it is a multi-table special which is normally filtered out (was done months ago because people didn't wanna constantly see multi-table specials). Just check the 'include multi-table specials' to show it.
I will rename it to version A, good idea.
So where do I find it on the reporting screen? I can't find a checkbox for include multi-table specials.
Hmm Venture-Captain, Minnesota |
Mr. Bonkers |
Simon Kort wrote:So where do I find it on the reporting screen? I can't find a checkbox for include multi-table specials.Hey,
It is in the database, but it is a multi-table special which is normally filtered out (was done months ago because people didn't wanna constantly see multi-table specials). Just check the 'include multi-table specials' to show it.
I will rename it to version A, good idea.
At the reporting screen, it is found under Season 8, right after 8-17: Refugees of the Weary Sky. Don't know why it is in the middle of that list, but it is there.
Maglok |
At the reporting screen, it is found under Season 8, right after 8-17: Refugees of the Weary Sky. Don't know why it is in the middle of that list, but it is there.
Ah for reporting! Yeah I do know why it is in the middle, that list is ordered by when I added a scenario. I need to change the ordering on that sometime. So much to fix :)
@Hilary Moon: I dunno... I might? I am just unlikely to play it myself, then again... It would require some rework. Just running a 2nd version of the tracker requires everyone to register again, which is not that useful. I'll think on it.
Woran Venture-Captain, Netherlands |
Hmm Venture-Captain, Minnesota |
Mr. Bonkers |
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Simon, Looks like reporting for "8-16: House of Harmonious Wisdom" is either missing or possibly just has some syntax issues, but it doesn't appear to be showing up.
Thanks for all the work you do!
Ah, I also now this one. 8-16 can not be found under season 8, because it is located under the Quests at the reporting page.
Maglok |
Hey,
Yeah... the quests issue. I could use some proper brainstorming on that.
At first it was a tag on scenarios 'this is a quest', but then people really wanted to be able to filter on them more properly. Also some quests don't have a number, some do.
So I introduced the quest as a type of content: Scenario, quest, module, AP. Yet this makes people confused as to where the numbered quests are, like 8-16.
And I totally see everyone's point, I just don't quite see a solution to this issue. Thinking on it though.
Started making small quality of life changes to the pfstracker again btw, so that's good. Will be suggesting to people during registering and in the profile to keep the same name as on warhorn, for organisers to find it more easily.
Also going to put the country-choose option on the register page, instead of only on the profile (though it will not be a required field).
And I am looking into sorting scenarios better on mainly the reporting pages.
@Tineke: Yeah! It is one of those things. I don't have free time, but I have enough money to buy companions. :) It used to be I don't have money, but a lot of free time. Life is weird.
@Hilary: I have a few ideas on how to achieve this, starting with a extra tag for content that basically says 'pfs' or 'sfs'. Then possibly a switch or some such or a tag... or I dunno yet.
GinoA |
I was just picturing a set of SF seasons. Season SF-01 would contain the first season of SF. Although, as I type this, I realize that it runs afoul of how you handle quests and modules.
Hmm. On a semi-related note, any intention to open-source or invite other developers into the project? I'd be interested in *trying* to find some free time to help with SFS.
Maglok |
It's been open source since the beginning: https://github.com/saekort/PFS-Scenariotracker
I do not document things as much though, no one has been actively contributing (though I have had some small suggestions, like the script for importing from paizo, still need to finish that feature).
Hilary got me thinking on how to incorporate SFS though and I got a few ideas, so I might do it anyway, eventually. ;)
GreySector RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8 |
Glorf Fei-Hung |
Hey,
Yeah... the quests issue. I could use some proper brainstorming on that.
At first it was a tag on scenarios 'this is a quest', but then people really wanted to be able to filter on them more properly. Also some quests don't have a number, some do.
So I introduced the quest as a type of content: Scenario, quest, module, AP. Yet this makes people confused as to where the numbered quests are, like 8-16.
And I totally see everyone's point, I just don't quite see a solution to this issue. Thinking on it though.
Started making small quality of life changes to the pfstracker again btw, so that's good. Will be suggesting to people during registering and in the profile to keep the same name as on warhorn, for organisers to find it more easily.
Also going to put the country-choose option on the register page, instead of only on the profile (though it will not be a required field).
And I am looking into sorting scenarios better on mainly the reporting pages.
@Tineke: Yeah! It is one of those things. I don't have free time, but I have enough money to buy companions. :) It used to be I don't have money, but a lot of free time. Life is weird.
@Hilary: I have a few ideas on how to achieve this, starting with a extra tag for content that basically says 'pfs' or 'sfs'. Then possibly a switch or some such or a tag... or I dunno yet.
Is it possible to set multiple types for a single scenario, you could then filter off the type and the scenario could be found anywhere it is applicable So you could report a season 8 quest on the season 8 section or the quest section.
Glorf Fei-Hung |
Sorting for seasons 0 through 7 is FUBAR. I believe this is because there is no leading '0' for scenarios one through nine in a given season.
If you can add a additional field to number the sessions and not have it displayed visibly you could then sort in a more controlled manner.
Maglok |
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Thanks. I have nailed down the bug, it has to do with deleting people from groups. The renaming should not have been an issue. I will develop a patch in my dev-environment as soon as possible.
As for the sorting of the reporting page. I fixed it for all seasons. It is still a bit fubar for modules and APs. Going to try to fix that soon.
Maglok |
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Alright after thinking on it and doing a few tests, I think I have found a good way to add Starfinder to the tracker.
That said, I would need to know the exact differences that starfinder has.
At the moment I know:
- Tiers are different, but no problem for tracker
- No core campaign option (yet)
- Characters are counting from 700 so probably not a big issue
Ascalaphus Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden |
Hmm Venture-Captain, Minnesota |
Maglok |
Alright.
I am having some trouble designing how this would work. I got a few good ideas as to swapping from SFS to PFS layout and back. Then i started wondering if that is something that we would want to begin with.
What about the use case 'I want to see who has played what and I don't care about setting'. There are also other things where I would not like to mix setting up (statistics for example), and others where I would (characters).
Hard to wrap my head around what people would want to see... Ideas?
Hmm Venture-Captain, Minnesota |
So Simon, here is what I am envisioning:
There is a filter on the side (much like what you have now) where you can select the campaigns to include: SFS or PFS when filtering to see what people have played / GMed. You can check both.
SFS adventures (whether APs, Modules, Quests or Scenarios) are tagged in some way as SFS on your backend. Everything without that tag is PFS. Statistics are kept separate. Characters are together, but there are check boxes to filter out the ones you don't want to look at.
The Session Tracker otherwise looks and works exactly like what we have now. There's going to be a lot of overlap between SFS and PFS in the Player base. I'd love to be able to see who has played what.
By the way, I realize that casual comments like "you can just tag them on your backend" are probably frustating as heck, because I have probably tripled the work that you have put into maintaining this thing by proposing yet another field. My apologies in advance. I am not a programmer, and I've made something that you do in your volunteer hours much harder.
It's just that... Your tracker is SO awesome that I would love to be able to use it for Starfinder too. Thank you in advance for creating something easy that people around the world use it all the time in planning their games. I've had tons of games where the party found what they wanted to play via the Session Tracker.
Thank you. Both you and it are awesome.
Hmm
Ascalaphus Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden |
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I was thinking about more or less the same thing as HMM for the frontend: "include PFS"/"include SFS" checkboxes. Just like you can now distinguish between APs/Quests/Modules/Scenarios.
From a UI perspective I think it's really the simplest way of doing it; both campaigns are similar enough in structure (i.e. they both deal with level ranges and scenarios).
There could be the occasional weirdness when doing level range searches for a player and getting both PFS and SFS results (if the user has both boxes checked).
Most important would be to clearly visually distinguish both; by using a different background color for SFS adventures for example. That should tell you at a glance that you may have the wrong boxes checked.
Then on the Reporting side you can continue with the same color scheme. If currently Pathfinder is a reddish brown, make starfinder cyan perhaps. That helps you easily see which season you're looking at.
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At the backend it could be handled by adding a "Game" attribute to all adventures with SFS and PFS as possible values.
Maglok |
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@HMM: Oh, being a programmer, 'tagged in some way' is pretty much accurate. I just add a column that says 'setting' and voila. The backend is the easy part in this case. Though I will have to update the queries to keep setting into account over the entire tracker.
@Lau: And then make the seasons appear and dissapear based on what setting you've chosen?
PS: Glad you find it useful HMM.
Ascalaphus Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden |
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@Lau: And then make the seasons appear and dissapear based on what setting you've chosen?
Pretty much.
A thing to consider is how you order the seasons; is SFS S1 going to occur before PFS S2, or after PFS S8?
I'm sure everyone will have their preferences on that aspect. But it might be nice if you go for "both" that you also see scenarios from both campaigns appearing right on the first result page.
Hmm Venture-Captain, Minnesota |