Best spell list for a damned character?


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As the title asks. The damnation feat chain offers, among other things, a very sizeable bonus to the DCs and caster level of [evil] spells. Thus, I got the idea to make a character who was either a sorcerer or Oracle who's inherent magic comes not from their linage or a random divine blessing but rather a literal "deal with the devil",with the entire damnation feat chain representing this along with their inherent Spellcasting. However, I am not sure whether to go sorc or oracle for this character, so I am turning to all of you. I know 100% that I will be going "all in" on the damnation feats, so which class out of sorc or oracle has more [evil] spells to abuse? If somebody could answer this I would be grateful!


Oracle, as a divine caster, will have more evil descriptor spells to use. This is simply going off my gut instinct though, without looking into things yet. Give me a while, and I will be able to tell you which is better.

EDIT: After specifically counting through ones with the evil descriptor written in, here are the totals.

Oracle Count: 72
Sorceror Count: 64

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Thanks, also remember that quality matters as well as quantity. If the oracle list has more, but the majority are very narrow in their use (I.E. Only useful when fighting good-aligned foes) while the sorc list has less overall, but more [evil] spells that are less narrow in focus than the oracle, sorc still wins out.


Why not go into Diabolist? You can turn your spells lawful and evil on command a bunch of times, limited by your CHA modifier.

Grand Lodge

I very much like Death Knell. Having and using it will only help.

This should be a staple on your list if you pick a class with it.

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Diabolist is only worthwhile on a wizard or cleric, I find, it just kinda sucks for Oracles and Sorceres and I want this character to be cha-based, not int or wis based, as I intend for them to be a ruler in a kingmaker game which means they NEED to be a cha-primary class. If there are not enough good [evil] spells for an oracle, I might just suck it up and play a necromancer again. I'd be using sorcerer instead of oracle and going for the undead bloodline with the Kitsune race for abusing the arcana(the main reason to play an undead sorc, tbh, as with high enough DCs on enchantment you can do silly things like keep vampires and liches as perminent pets.).The damnation feats, meanwhile, would be used for absolute animate dead abuse, as I have a build for an undead sorc that can get +20 to animate dead CL for minions.. before voidsticks. This is done by combining a bunch of feats to silly results, one of which happens to me Maleficium.

HOWEVER...I play necromancers SO MUCH I wanted to try something different. So yeah.


You could be an oracle or sorcerer diabolist. You don't lose any of the most important thing: caster levels. If you're a diabolist, the most of what you lose are either extra bloodline feats/bloodline powers, or mysteries/curse progression. There are no ridiculous prerequisites, all you need to do is grab a scroll of Lesser Planar Ally or Lesser Planar Binding, and snag yourself a devil. With Diabolist, you can count any energy damage spell as an evil spell a few times a day, which expands your choices a lot.

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Still dosen't change the fact diabolists suck for sorcerers and oracles. The main issue is that, you not only loose out on feats and powers, but bloodline/mystery spells, which IMO is pretty aweful. Wizards and clerics, meanwhile, lose nothing worthwhile from going Diabolist while Sorcs/Oracles lose out on their bonus spells from bloodline/mystery, which is why they generally make piss poor diabolists. So sorc/oracle diabolist is out in my book.

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