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New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017


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New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017

It's about time!


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And you have to pay for the streaming service to get it. No thanks.

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While I suspect it will be in the new movie continuity/timeline, I hope it's in the original TV/movie continuity/timeline.

Liberty's Edge

Yeah ...

I'm a HUGE Star Trek fan, and I would love to see a new Star Trek Series on TV. But not on yet another freaking pay network! Put this on actual network television and I will happily watch every episode.

But, not CBS All Access. Not another pay service! No thanks!

It's a shame too, because otherwise, I'd be SUPER excited out this ..

Oh well

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It would be interesting to see the Next Gen crew in the new movie timeline. I have a feeling James McAvoy would make a great Picard.

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As for the streaming service cost,

I don't see any difference between paying for Netflix for Daredevil, HBOgo for Game of Thrones, or CBS All Access for Star Trek. If's it's a quality show, I don't mind paying for it.

Especially when you can pay for $5.99 one month, watch the season, and then cancel if you want.


Imbicatus wrote:

As for the streaming service cost,

I don't see any difference between paying for Netflix for Daredevil, HBOgo for Game of Thrones, or CBS All Access for Star Trek. If's it's a quality show, I don't mind paying for it.

Especially when you can pay for $5.99 one month, watch the season, and then cancel if you want.

It is the same thing.

It's that you've got to pay all of them for the one show each you want to watch. The basic problem of delivery services becoming content providers. And vice versa.

I won't be watching until it's available somewhere else. Which it inevitably will be. Of course, if enough people do the same, it won't be profitable enough on airing to keep making.


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They're not going to put the whole season up all at once, and with sites like Netflix and Hulu, there's way more than one show to make it worthwhile.

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Imbicatus wrote:

As for the streaming service cost,

I don't see any difference between paying for Netflix for Daredevil, HBOgo for Game of Thrones, or CBS All Access for Star Trek.

That's true. I also don't have any interest in Netflix etc. :)


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It's headed by Alex Kurtzman, one of the guys responsible for writing the Transformer and the new Star Trek movies as well as Amazing Spider-Man 2 and Cowboys & Aliens.

It will be a trainwreck.


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Imbicatus wrote:

As for the streaming service cost,

I don't see any difference between paying for Netflix for Daredevil, HBOgo for Game of Thrones, or CBS All Access for Star Trek. If's it's a quality show, I don't mind paying for it.

Especially when you can pay for $5.99 one month, watch the season, and then cancel if you want.

It's a cost/benefit thing

For two dollars more, I can get netflix, which has past seasons from a ton of shows from a ton of different channels, plus pretty awesome original series, plus a ton of movies and a pretty user friendly interface and no commercials.

For two dollars more I could get Hulu, which has tons of shows the next day, as well as past seasons, plus a ton of movies, plus an okay interface, with limited commercials for some shows

For...I think about the same price with a .edu account, I can get Amazon prime, which not only gets me, again a ton of movies and shows from different networks, as well as an improving line up of original content. PLUS free two day shipping, free kindle rentals, good integration with Amazon and discounts, easy access to movie rentals, etc.

For 6 dollars...CBS all access...gets me CBS shows, many of which have only limited seasons or episode availability, a poor interface that I think doesn't even allow pausing or automatic start up of the next episode, no movies or shows from other channels. All shown with full commercial breaks. And for me personally, CBS is my least watched station. the only show I have even watched on the station in the last? decade is Supergirl that just started.

So as far as streaming services goes, CBS all access is probably the worst deal on the market, and something I have no interest in paying for, versus those other services that I currently enjoy and get a lot of use from.


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Fabius Maximus wrote:

It's headed by Alex Kurtzman, one of the guys responsible for writing the Transformer and the new Star Trek movies as well as Amazing Spider-Man 2 and Cowboys & Aliens.

It will be a trainwreck.

Only as a producer. He won't be the primary showrunner. He produced Sleepy Hollow and Fringe as well, which are a bit better than his movie output depending on your views of those shows.

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I enjoyed the new Trek films. Into Darkness less than the first one, but it was still enjoyable.

Besides, it's not like it's Voyager left a high bar.


MMCJawa wrote:
Fabius Maximus wrote:

It's headed by Alex Kurtzman, one of the guys responsible for writing the Transformer and the new Star Trek movies as well as Amazing Spider-Man 2 and Cowboys & Aliens.

It will be a trainwreck.

Only as a producer. He won't be the primary showrunner. He produced Sleepy Hollow and Fringe as well, which are a bit better than his movie output depending on your views of those shows.

If it's anywhere near as good as Sleepy Hollow it'll probably be the best Star Trek series in the franchise.


MMCJawa wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:

As for the streaming service cost,

I don't see any difference between paying for Netflix for Daredevil, HBOgo for Game of Thrones, or CBS All Access for Star Trek. If's it's a quality show, I don't mind paying for it.

Especially when you can pay for $5.99 one month, watch the season, and then cancel if you want.

It's a cost/benefit thing

For two dollars more, I can get netflix, which has past seasons from a ton of shows from a ton of different channels, plus pretty awesome original series, plus a ton of movies and a pretty user friendly interface and no commercials.

For two dollars more I could get Hulu, which has tons of shows the next day, as well as past seasons, plus a ton of movies, plus an okay interface, with limited commercials for some shows

For...I think about the same price with a .edu account, I can get Amazon prime, which not only gets me, again a ton of movies and shows from different networks, as well as an improving line up of original content. PLUS free two day shipping, free kindle rentals, good integration with Amazon and discounts, easy access to movie rentals, etc.

For 6 dollars...CBS all access...gets me CBS shows, many of which have only limited seasons or episode availability, a poor interface that I think doesn't even allow pausing or automatic start up of the next episode, no movies or shows from other channels. All shown with full commercial breaks. And for me personally, CBS is my least watched station. the only show I have even watched on the station in the last? decade is Supergirl that just started.

So as far as streaming services goes, CBS all access is probably the worst deal on the market, and something I have no interest in paying for, versus those other services that I currently enjoy and get a lot of use from.

Exactly. Except worse. The whole point of this approach is that each service will have its own exclusive content, so that you have to subscribe to their service.


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As someone who typically doesn't have cable or at least won't throw down money for it, I don't mind having to pay for a couple of streaming services, because it's still normally cheaper and more efficient than traditional cable.

If every channel follows CBS's lead, that would change, but I suspect that eventually CBS access will either go free or die, so I am not quite worried about that yet.

At any rate, to stay on topic, I am sort of excited at the prospect of more trek, as I have been watching TNG for the first time via netflix. I just hope it's set in the TNG continuity, and exists in the future of that timeline, so to cover new ground. But that announcement is so vague it could mean anything.

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MMCJawa wrote:

If every channel follows CBS's lead, that would change, but I suspect that eventually CBS access will either go free or die, so I am not quite worried about that yet.

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Other channels like HBO, SyFy, already offer cable independent options so expect this trend to grow.

Sovereign Court

I imagine CBS will do something along the lines of airing the show on CBS once a week, but if you want it on demand you will need the pay service. Shows like Vikings, Sons of Anarchy, Longmire, etc have been set up this way. Just my guess.

IMO, network television is so far behind the quality of premium and even network cable I cant imagine many folks paying for it. This thing wont take off unless they can offer more than just a Trek series.

The producer's credits are very inconsistent, so who knows if this series will be any good. Doesn't sound like Dorn's capn' worf pitch though.


Pan wrote:

I imagine CBS will do something along the lines of airing the show on CBS once a week, but if you want it on demand you will need the pay service. Shows like Vikings, Sons of Anarchy, Longmire, etc have been set up this way. Just my guess.

IMO, network television is so far behind the quality of premium and even network cable I cant imagine many folks paying for it. This thing wont take off unless they can offer more than just a Trek series.

The producer's credits are very inconsistent, so who knows if this series will be any good. Doesn't sound like Dorn's capn' worf pitch though.

Which is too bad. I guess he just didn't sell enough muffins for it to get greenlit.

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Pan wrote:
I imagine CBS will do something along the lines of airing the show on CBS once a week,

There are no plans to show Trek AT ALL on broadcast aside from the pilot. That's the whole point.... they're expecting a lot of Trekkies to pay for their Trek craving by signing up. For all they b*@#~ed about the movies, they still queued up to throw their money at Paramount.

And they will. What they may do is offer purchase options such as Itunes for shows one week after they appear on CBS.


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Fabius Maximus wrote:

It's headed by Alex Kurtzman, one of the guys responsible for writing the Transformer and the new Star Trek movies as well as Amazing Spider-Man 2 and Cowboys & Aliens.

It will be a trainwreck.

Only as a producer. He won't be the primary showrunner. He produced Sleepy Hollow and Fringe as well, which are a bit better than his movie output depending on your views of those shows.

I'd like to remind you that Berman and Braga also "only" were (executive) producers of the latter seasons of Voyager and the first three seasons of Enterprise and they pretty much ruined the franchise. And yes, Kurtzman will be executive producer (aka showrunner), sharing the position with Heather Kadin.

On Fringe, he shared that position with 6 other people. There are even more of them working on Sleepy Hollow, so you can't pin any success (in the former) or going-off-the-rails (in the latter) on him.

Sovereign Court

As long as Berman and Braga are no longer any factors, we might get a half-decent Star Trek show. I mean I LOVE Enterprise. It was horribly written but the actors pulled a maximum they could with what they were given.

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As long as Berman and Braga are no longer any factors, we might get a half-decent Star Trek show. I mean I LOVE Enterprise. It was horribly written but the actors pulled a maximum they could with what they were given.

Enterprise had the same problem as Voyager. The folks running the show couldn't keep faith with the central premise. Instead of a ship faced with the problems of being located far from resupply and having to scavange to make repairs, Voyager became TNG:Delta Quadrant. Enterprise suffered some mis steps with with plot direction and rushing to lampshade the future. It also innovated too much for the Trekkies. The thing is after shows that were running amuck with Klingon love, it was the first time that Trek actually took some real indepth look at the Federation Races, especially the other members of the Founding Quartet, the Vulcans, Andorians, and the Tellarites. OMG, Tellarites that were something other than the caricatures we saw at "Journey to Babel"!

Enterprise had it's issues, but it's worse ones were the Trekkies who gave it a bum rap. And I'll never forgive the person who thought it was a brilliant idea to turn the last episode into a Riker holodeck fantasy.

By the way, if you ever meet Johnathan Frakes and want to stay on his good side, don't bring up that episode.

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This announcement is more about the new CBS streaming service than Star Trek. Pretty f$*!ing embarrassing they don't have any content on preliminary concepts... for all we know this could be a robot chicken or Lego version of Star Trek. Way to go PR machine! Every cable company, cell phone provider, major network now has its own pitiful attempt at keeping up with Netflix. Wake up losers you missed the boat by about 6 years. Have fun catching up! (Or you could try being better at whatever your core business is... maybe....)

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Well, ABC, NBC, and Fox don't really have to catch up, as they're Hulu.

HBO and Showtime probably can pull enough, although I think they're price point is to high.

Amazon does ok, but they're even cheaper than Netflix and Hulu and provides other benefits.

Crunchyroll and Funimation are niche, but seem to be successful in that niche.

CBS really should just suck it up and sign on with the Hulu partnership or Amazon.

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CBS really should just suck it up and sign on with the Hulu partnership or Amazon.

Yeap, this is the only way i'm seeing the new series. Not paying for CBS, certainly not for a single program.


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I think CBS is vastly overestimating the appeal of Star Trek as a way of selling All Access. Some portion of fans will go ahead and pay for it, but CBS doesn't really have much to offer to the key streaming demographic, which I think is going to cause a lot of people to look elsewhere for ways to watch the show.

When I was reading a review of All Access...The review mentioned that one of the key issues that is probably going to bring down All Access is one of viewership. The average TV viewer is something like 44. The average CBS viewer is 68. That means a TON of current CBS watchers will have no interest in anything that is streaming, while there shows really don't offer anything to entice in the actual demographic of millenials that does watch a lot of entertainment online.

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All I see here is the new ST series being massively pirated.


There is apparently a division of the rights between CBS and Paramount. CBS have the TV rights and Paramount have the movie rights. The two actually aren't getting on too great at the moment, and there's some issues with CBS having badly mishandled the TNG HD remastering job and a lack of synergy (apologies for even using the word) between the two when it comes to cross-marketing and support. The fact that the new TV announcement apparently HAS to distance itself from STAR TREK BEYOND (the third film in the Abramsverse, due out next summer) bodes well that the new TV show will in fact be set in either the original timeline or a new one.

That's not definite, and of course Kurtzman is tight with Abrams and Paramount so he could probably swing it that they can use the Abramsverse instead if he really went for it. At the same time, it's also the 50th Anniversary of STAR TREK next year and this new project is being sold as part of those celebrations. If that's the case, something they can use to revisit the past series may also be possible.

What's interesting is that there were pitch meetings for the new series and as well as Kurtzman, Michael Dorn got to pitch his Worf-centric series idea. In fact, some fans have been speculating if the two are the same project. That sees very unlikely, as Kurtzman was never mentioned as part of the Dorn project, which was instead supported by TNG/DS9 producers Ronald Moore and Ira Behr (both now making OUTLANDER for Starz). That at least shows that CBS were interested in projects set in the original timeline.

One unfortunate bit of news: CBS just shot down the STAR TREK: RENEGADES Kickstarter, which would have brought back Walter Koenig, Tim Russ, Aron Eisenberg, Cirroc Lofton, Robert Beltran and Terry Farrell (among others). Some fans have speculated this was because RENEGADES (which previously had support from CBS) might be touching on the same ideas the new show might be relying on, such as the original timeline and past crewmembers showing up. More likely, they didn't want to risk brand confusion.


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Well, it MIGHT be good enough for me. If it sticks with the original timeline and is something interesting (like showing an Admiral Riker with the Titan and a new captain of some sort of ship with an interesting mission) I'll totally spring the money to pay for it.

On the otherhand, if it continues the timeline from the movies or some such, or has no connection to the original series (TOS, TMP, TNG, DS9, VOY) or is something like Enterprise...I'll probably pass.

I could be the key audience they are looking for...but if they don't do it right, they'll never get me to pay for it. They do it right and I'll be jumping over the seats just to get in on it.


Yeah, until we know the specifics of the series (which timeline/era, cast, premise) I'm going to hold off on getting excited.

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Yes, lets try to over charge geeks to see something online. What are they going to do, find another way to see it on a computer?

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Sir, its been leaked on pirate bay....

... we haven't even hired actors yet!?

What can i say, hollywood hacking and something with a sling shot.

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I want to see Captain Nog.


Didn't they do that joke in Spaceballs

"The video is out before we finished filming the picture..."

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Werthead wrote:


One unfortunate bit of news: CBS just shot down the STAR TREK: RENEGADES Kickstarter, which would have brought back Walter Koenig, Tim Russ, Aron Eisenberg, Cirroc Lofton, Robert Beltran and Terry Farrell (among others). Some fans have speculated this was because RENEGADES (which previously had support from CBS) might be touching on the same ideas the new show might be relying on, such as the original timeline and past crewmembers showing up. More likely, they didn't want to risk brand confusion.

Do you have a source on this? I am backing the currently running Episode 2+3 Kickstarter and there has been no communication of the sort and the campaign is still active.

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Terquem wrote:

Didn't they do that joke in Spaceballs

"The video is out before we finished filming the picture..."

Obviously they stole it from me, just now.


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Some pretty interesting information has leaked.

None of this has been 100% confirmed but apparently several sources at CBS have confirmed this information to the original site and to a few others like Den of Geek.

The current points of interest are:

1) Set in the original timeline, not the Abramsverse (as mentioned earlier, CBS don't have the rights to the Abramsverse without doing a new deal with Paramount).

2) Set after STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY but before STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.

3) The show will not involve a starship called Enterprise.

4) The show will be "tightly serialised".

5) The show will be a "seasonal anthology" series like TRUE DETECTIVE and FARGO. Each season will be set in a different part of the STAR TREK universe and canon, and will be free to use different castmembers (new or old), settings and ideas.

6) The show cannot debut before 22 January 2017, as the CBS/Paramount deal requires six months to elapse between one project and the other (the next STAR TREK film, BEYOND, comes out on 22 July).

Liberty's Edge

Any word on if they are reconsidering making this available only on thier new prime service?

I'm a HUGE Star Trek fan and this sounds like a cool show, but I have no intention of watching it if I have to pay for the service. I have a feeling a LOT of others will feel the same way and I'm afraid it might doom the show ...

I really hope they reconsider ...

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Werthead wrote:

Some pretty interesting information has leaked.

Thanks for the news. I'm happy there's no continuation of Abramsverse but I'm sad it's set in the past. I was hoping to see where the Federation, Klingons, etc. are post-DS9.


Marc Radle wrote:

Any word on if they are reconsidering making this available only on thier new prime service?

I'm a HUGE Star Trek fan and this sounds like a cool show, but I have no intention of watching it if I have to pay for the service. I have a feeling a LOT of others will feel the same way and I'm afraid it might doom the show ...

I really hope they reconsider ...

The numbers of people already signing up for the CBS service, and that the budget forecast statements include the anticipation of revenue from future signups, pretty much guarantees that such cries are falling on deaf ears.

Just like classic Roddenberry, they're going to milk this cow while it stands for all that it's worth. And they know that Trek is going to draw in tons of subscriptions.

I'm starting to wonder if we'll get scenes like those in the Supergirl series, filled with veiled references to a ship called the "Big E" that will never be actually seen on screen.

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I'll just wait for it to come out on BlueRay and binge watch it.


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Any word on if they are reconsidering making this available only on thier new prime service?

It'll be available internationally on other services, I imagine, but right now CBS have only confirmed that the opening episode will air on regular CBS and the rest will air on their on-demand service.

If it's a catastrophic failure on that service, I think we'll see the show pretty quickly rerouted to more traditional release services.

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I'm starting to wonder if we'll get scenes like those in the Supergirl series, filled with veiled references to a ship called the "Big E" that will never be actually seen on screen.

They could set it in the twenty-year window after the destruction of the Enterprise-C and before the Enterprise-D was launched, when there was no Enterprise around. Or just complete ignore it: the number of references to the Enterprise in DS9 and VOYAGER was almost completely non-existent.


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Yeah, Starfleet is huge. A particular ship not appearing/being mentioned (even if it is the flagship) wouldn't be strange.

That being said, I doubt they're prohibited from mentioning the Enterprise, they're just not using it as the setting of the show.

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Werthead wrote:


1) Set in the original timeline, not the Abramsverse (as mentioned earlier, CBS don't have the rights to the Abramsverse without doing a new deal with Paramount).

Fine by me.

Werthead wrote:
2) Set after STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY but before STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.

Hmm interesting.

Werthead wrote:
3) The show will not involve a starship called Enterprise.

DS9 was my favorite Trek, so I can certainly live with that.

Werthead wrote:
4) The show will be "tightly serialised".

Perfect, I prefer this method.

Werthead wrote:
5) The show will be a "seasonal anthology" series like TRUE DETECTIVE and FARGO. Each season will be set in a different part of the STAR TREK universe and canon, and will be free to use different castmembers (new or old), settings and ideas.

Now this is the best nugget. I see a few folks were like "aw I wanted to see X period of Trek...." and I think eventually you will. Hopefully they can make cohesive interesting seasons over and over again within the format. I think that will be key to the success of this new series. My interest is piqued!


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I dunno...they might stay in the pre ST:NG era. By placing it there, they can avoid a lot of the recent tropes that the newer star treks have run into the ground (holodecks, Ferengi, Borg, etc), while still keeping the bits from the original trek that have a bit or nostalgia to them (Klingons, vulcans, etc).

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Being pre-TNG pretty much guarantees no Romulans though, as there had been no contact with the Romulan Star Empire with a Federation Vessel for 50 years before the Season 1 TNG episode The Neutral Zone.


Not too happy with the Axanar lawsuit. We'll see how that goes before CBS/paramount gets any more cash from me.

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Pan wrote:
Werthead wrote:
3) The show will not involve a starship called Enterprise.

DS9 was my favorite Trek, so I can certainly live with that.

*fistbump*

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