New Star Trek Series Premieres January 2017


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bugleyman wrote:

Potentially tying the fate of the first Star Trek show in a decade to a me-too streaming service seems quite foolish.

BBC is doing the same thing with Dr. Who, taking it off BBC-America. From what I've read the strategy is working very well for CBS which is getting good subscription numbers for All Access with the material they have already.


Ed Reppert wrote:
Yeah, you're right. The numbering makes no sense though. I suspect the writers just threw out random hull numbers in some cases — including Constellation's.

From what I remember in the old Star Trek tech manual, the first ship built in that class was the Constitution.. NCC-1700... the class ship.


Especially with a startrek series. If its not cheap and readily available they'll say screw it and pirate it.

I know i've pirated movies I legally owned because the digital player kept giving me so many problems.

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Krensky wrote:


That's why I think CBS is epically failing on this. All of their marketing needs to be a complete and total hypefest because it needs to justify spending $6 a month to watch the show on a service with commercials. And not like one or two every ten or twenty miutes like Hulu, but five or six every five to ten minutes like broadcast TV.

Oh wow, I could see some Hulu amount of commercial disruption for 6 bucks, but 6 bucks a month for regular network programming commercial interruption.....oh hell no. Wait for DVD.

drahlina moonrunner wrote:


BBC is doing the same thing with Dr. Who, taking it off BBC-America. From what I've read the strategy is working very well for CBS which is getting good subscription numbers for All Access with the material they have already.

That's too bad about Dr. Who. Where did you "hear" this is working well for CBS?


"Working well" is relative. Who knows how well this show would do if they just put it on regular TV?


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Is it me, or is the overall quality of the trailer falling short of a lot of fan CGI I've seen lately?
Wait ... what trailer???

Trailer released at Comicon I do acknowledge the movie homage in the opening sequence, given that the series and ship name is Star Trek:Discovery.

Does anyone else get it?

For those who may not have noticed, the triple conjunction at the start of the trailer is an homage to a similar sequence in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey, which featured a ship named Discovery.

I do believe having seen a ship model of that type very close to that design in both the original Tech Manual and in the FASA RPG, possibly in Star Fleet Battles as well.

Liberty's Edge

It's Ralph McQuarrie's design for a new Enterprise from the never filmed first Star Trek movie. So is the asteroid space dock.


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JoelF847 wrote:
If it's set after Undiscovered Country, I hope they find a way to have a good Captain Sulu cameo.

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Captain Hikaru Sulu: "In range?"
Helmsman Lojur: "Not yet sir."
Sulu: "Come on, come on."
Helmsman: "She'll fly apart!"
Sulu: "Fly her apart then!"


Pan wrote:
Krensky wrote:


That's why I think CBS is epically failing on this. All of their marketing needs to be a complete and total hypefest because it needs to justify spending $6 a month to watch the show on a service with commercials. And not like one or two every ten or twenty miutes like Hulu, but five or six every five to ten minutes like broadcast TV.

Oh wow, I could see some Hulu amount of commercial disruption for 6 bucks, but 6 bucks a month for regular network programming commercial interruption.....oh hell no. Wait for DVD.

drahlina moonrunner wrote:


BBC is doing the same thing with Dr. Who, taking it off BBC-America. From what I've read the strategy is working very well for CBS which is getting good subscription numbers for All Access with the material they have already.

That's too bad about Dr. Who. Where did you "hear" this is working well for CBS?

News article from Huffington Post Buisness Insider CBS reporting on it's subscription rates. All-Acces is pretty popular with the cable-cutting crowd who are also going for services such as HBO-Go getting selective content without buying a whole cable package.


Krensky wrote:
The Constellation was made using an Enterprise model kit, they on had the decals in the box to work with.

Yup. A later USS Constellation did, however, become the first of her class which the USS Stargazer belonged to.

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That's why I think CBS is epically failing on this. All of their marketing needs to be a complete and total hypefest because it needs to justify spending $6 a month to watch the show on a service with commercials. And not like one or two every ten or twenty miutes like Hulu, but five or six every five to ten minutes like broadcast TV.

This trailer seeks to have been met with complete disinterest to dislike which would be bad for a series on broadcast, but there is no way this will make anyone but the super hard core trekkie subscribe, and they would anyway.

I suspect CBS have a backup plan: if the show doesn't take off on CBS All Access and drive the subs they want, they can move it to Netflix in later seasons. The worldwide release deal opens up that possibility.


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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
BigDTBone wrote:
The biggest problem with Enterprise in this regard was that Archer was a notorious flip-flopper and seemed to have ethics which matched his mood.
That's because what Archer did, depended on who was Leaping into him that day.

Oh boy.


Pan wrote:
Krensky wrote:


That's why I think CBS is epically failing on this. All of their marketing needs to be a complete and total hypefest because it needs to justify spending $6 a month to watch the show on a service with commercials. And not like one or two every ten or twenty miutes like Hulu, but five or six every five to ten minutes like broadcast TV.

Oh wow, I could see some Hulu amount of commercial disruption for 6 bucks, but 6 bucks a month for regular network programming commercial interruption.....oh hell no. Wait for DVD.

drahlina moonrunner wrote:


BBC is doing the same thing with Dr. Who, taking it off BBC-America. From what I've read the strategy is working very well for CBS which is getting good subscription numbers for All Access with the material they have already.

That's too bad about Dr. Who. Where did you "hear" this is working well for CBS?

All-Access also includes on-demand access to desired shows and I think it's commercial free, at least at this time.

Liberty's Edge

I have it for now, and no, it's not commercial free. It has the same number of comercials as broadcast, or maybe even a bit more.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
bugleyman wrote:

Potentially tying the fate of the first Star Trek show in a decade to a me-too streaming service seems quite foolish.

BBC is doing the same thing with Dr. Who, taking it off BBC-America. From what I've read the strategy is working very well for CBS which is getting good subscription numbers for All Access with the material they have already.

Wait, what, who, where....?

So, is BBC still broadcasting it, or is it going to only be exclusive to their site?

I hadn't heard this about Dr Who.


Nor had I, GreyWolf, and the BBC America website makes no mention of the series going subscriber only. I think we're safe for now. :)


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Krensky wrote:
I have it for now, and no, it's not commercial free. It has the same number of comercials as broadcast, or maybe even a bit more.

That's insane.

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DaveMage wrote:
Krensky wrote:
I have it for now, and no, it's not commercial free. It has the same number of comercials as broadcast, or maybe even a bit more.
That's insane.

I subscribed mostly for Supergirl, and was disappointed to see they only had the last few episodes, which is the model I expect for Star Trek.

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I get "cutting the cord" but paying for network quality television with the same amount if not more advertisements.....

God that sounds terrible....


Don't you mean "By Me" it's terrible. I mean you are Pan....


Yeah I have multiple friends interested in Trek to various degrees, and not a single one has any interest in subscribing to the CBS all Access.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Is it me, or is the overall quality of the trailer falling short of a lot of fan CGI I've seen lately?
Wait ... what trailer???

Trailer released at Comicon I do acknowledge the movie homage in the opening sequence, given that the series and ship name is Star Trek:Discovery.

Does anyone else get it?

You mean the UFO sighted during STS120 by the Discovery? That was on 10/31/ ?year 2007 0r 8. This is the only thing that comes to mind right away...


Everyone says that now... but when Trek actually premeires is when the truth be told.

Your choices will be limited to either watching all access or possibly buying the series on Amazon or Itunes, or piracy.


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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:

Everyone says that now... but when Trek actually premeires is when the truth be told.

Your choices will be limited to either watching all access or possibly buying the series on Amazon or Itunes, or piracy.

That's the frustrating thing for me. I won't buy it. Hopefully it'll eventually come out in some other format. I refuse to buy into this whole "Must by a complete subscription service from every content provider to get the one exclusive thing each has."

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thejeff wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:

Everyone says that now... but when Trek actually premeires is when the truth be told.

Your choices will be limited to either watching all access or possibly buying the series on Amazon or Itunes, or piracy.

That's the frustrating thing for me. I won't buy it. Hopefully it'll eventually come out in some other format. I refuse to buy into this whole "Must by a complete subscription service from every content provider to get the one exclusive thing each has."

Yeap, I can wait until I have a suitable option. I was considering trying it for a month, but from what I heard from a subscriber here; no way.


Yeah...CBS ALL Access needs to bring a lot more to the table than sitcoms and NCIS/CSI episodes for me to consider it.

It's competing with Netflix, which has a whole suite of good programming catering to the core demographics of cord cutters, plus a really good streaming platform, no commercials, and a huge library of shows and movies. Hulu and Amazon Prime also bring unique things to the table, like watching new shows the day after they air on Hulu, or the fact that Amazon Prime has a ton of other perks like free 2 day shipping and the Kindle borrowing library.

As of last year I only watched a single solitary show on the channel, and that got booted over to CW for the fall. No way am I going to subscribe to a single show that I don't have a particular fanatical interest in.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:

Everyone says that now... but when Trek actually premeires is when the truth be told.

Your choices will be limited to either watching all access or possibly buying the series on Amazon or Itunes, or piracy.

I guess the question will be, after all the episodes are released, can you subscribe for a month, watch them all, and then unsubscribe?

Also, since the rest of the world gets to see the first run on Netflix, will it be on Netflix for the US eventually? (If so, I can wait.)

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Not really defending CBS, but they do have a large amount of older CBS shows on All Access too.

But with Supergirl moving to CW and Person of Interest ending, I find myself unlikely to continue my subscription much longer.

As for binge watching, I doubt it. Supergirl, for instance, only had the last few episodes available.

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Yeah the CBS catalog doesn't command attention from me. Even if they had 17 seasons worth of NCIS, super girl, or person of interest id still not be any closer to subscribing.

So when do they roll out all access premium where you pay like 19.99 for no commercials?

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$9.99, and Soon(tm).

And when I say older stuff, I mean older stuff. Perry Mason, Twin Peaks, Hawaii Five-0, MacGyver, Cheers, Taxi, The Odd Couple, Mission: Impossible, etc.

Not enough to justify the sub by themselves, but it is more than just NCIS and CSI. If you're only going to budget $6 a month for streaming though, donate it to PBS for their Passport benefit.


If they're not going to support binge watching, they're shooting themselves in the foot. That's one of the big ways people consume TV these days.

As soon as that first episode ages out, the motivation for new subscribers drops away with it and just keeps getting worse.


CBS All Access is anything but...and therefore DOA.

If it is well reviewed, I can see myself buying it on Amazon (assuming it is even available).


thejeff wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:

Everyone says that now... but when Trek actually premeires is when the truth be told.

Your choices will be limited to either watching all access or possibly buying the series on Amazon or Itunes, or piracy.

That's the frustrating thing for me. I won't buy it. Hopefully it'll eventually come out in some other format. I refuse to buy into this whole "Must by a complete subscription service from every content provider to get the one exclusive thing each has."

Star Trek won't be it's only exclusive property, it's just the one we all are paying attention to right now. CBS isn't relying on Trekkies alone to support it's service. It is however taking advantage of having a property they want to see.

I see this a bell weather sign of the times. It started with boxes such as AppleTV and Rokku. The Cable hegemony has been showing signs of breakup for some time. HBO, Showtime, and others are now offering services which require nothing more than Internet access to acquire. Home entertainment is going to become more of an al-a carte affair.


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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
I see this a bell weather sign of the times. It started with boxes such as AppleTV and Rokku. The Cable hegemony has been showing signs of breakup for some time. HBO, Showtime, and others are now offering services which require nothing more than Internet access to acquire. Home entertainment is going to become more of an al-a carte affair.

I don't disagree. However, CBS All Access, at least in its present form (very limited access to recent shows, ALONG with ads) is crap.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:

Everyone says that now... but when Trek actually premeires is when the truth be told.

Your choices will be limited to either watching all access or possibly buying the series on Amazon or Itunes, or piracy.

That's the frustrating thing for me. I won't buy it. Hopefully it'll eventually come out in some other format. I refuse to buy into this whole "Must by a complete subscription service from every content provider to get the one exclusive thing each has."

Star Trek won't be it's only exclusive property, it's just the one we all are paying attention to right now. CBS isn't relying on Trekkies alone to support it's service. It is however taking advantage of having a property they want to see.

I see this a bell weather sign of the times. It started with boxes such as AppleTV and Rokku. The Cable hegemony has been showing signs of breakup for some time. HBO, Showtime, and others are now offering services which require nothing more than Internet access to acquire. Home entertainment is going to become more of an al-a carte affair.

But an "a la carte" affair where every service has this one thing you actually want. And then probably a whole bunch of stuff that's shared between them.

I don't want a dozen streaming services competing on exclusive content. I want multiple streaming services offering everything I want competing on service and price.

Don't think cable, think old network television, except you have to pay a fee to each channel.

As I also said above, not supporting binge watching is a complete deal-breaker. Maybe they'll follow the old model and rerun the old episodes in the off-season. Blech.

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thejeff wrote:


I don't want a dozen streaming services competing on exclusive content. I want multiple streaming services offering everything I want competing on service and price.

Yeah good luck with that. At this point the only way they can compete is by offering exclusive content. They already offer their subs at really low prices.

thejeff wrote:


Don't think cable, think old network television, except you have to pay a fee to each channel.

Which is ridiculous because network television is only worth paying for if you subtract advertisements with on demand viewing.

thejeff wrote:
As I also said above, not supporting binge watching is a complete deal-breaker. Maybe they'll follow the old model and rerun the old episodes in the off-season. Blech.

Blech indeed.


Pan wrote:
thejeff wrote:


Don't think cable, think old network television, except you have to pay a fee to each channel.
Which is ridiculous because network television is only worth paying for if you subtract advertisements with on demand viewing.

Well sure, now. When you have other choices.

If they'd been able to do that back when network tv was the only option, they certainly would have. And most would have paid it, since that was the only way to get it at all.

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It's pretty amusing actually that of all the networks doing this it's CBS, which has the oldest average viewers, and are therefore least likely to be cord-cutters/paid streamers.

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JoelF847 wrote:
It's pretty amusing actually that of all the networks doing this it's CBS, which has the oldest average viewers, and are therefore least likely to be cord-cutters/paid streamers.

Perhaps they are on the brink of a brand change and want to be ahead of the pack when it comes to catering to millennials?

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Oh, and the android app has ads too.


JoelF847 wrote:
It's pretty amusing actually that of all the networks doing this it's CBS, which has the oldest average viewers, and are therefore least likely to be cord-cutters/paid streamers.

ABC and NBC are poised to follow in their footsteps as their app can be configured to do the same with a minor update. All of the other network apps already have subscription options. So that's not quite true anymore.And CBS is obviously trying to poise itself for the Millennial crowd who are among the age group most likely to go for the new approach.

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No, ABC and NBC and Fox and CWs streaming service is called Hulu. Which has far fewer ds and way more content. PBS has lots of stuff on Hulu, but also run their own setvices, one completely free and one that is a benefit to donors.

CBS is not poised for anything, They're trying to create their own version of Hulu, and failing miserably.


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Or for those of us outside the North American continent, we have Netflix.

Or our friend's Netlix account that they forgot they logged us in that one time.

Same difference.

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Which is a felony in the US these days.


All I know is CBS is where my mom watching NCIS. That's about it.


Krensky wrote:

No, ABC and NBC and Fox and CWs streaming service is called Hulu. Which has far fewer ds and way more content. PBS has lots of stuff on Hulu, but also run their own setvices, one completely free and one that is a benefit to donors.

CBS is not poised for anything, They're trying to create their own version of Hulu, and failing miserably.

All three networks you mentioned, have their own streaming apps as well. For now, they require cable subscriptions.

Liberty's Edge

Which is intended for those who have cable. More specifically they're for those who are customers of small cable companies that dont have their own streaming apps. The streaming service for cord cutters is Hulu, which is a joint venture between them.

CBS All Access is a poorly thought out also ran that is overpriced for the amount of content and that makes you endure way more ads than your average cord cutter will do. It's struggled since the beginning and is still a third rate service with an inconsequential number of subscribers.

How do we know CBS is lying when they say the dub numbers are good? Because they won't give actual numbers. As long as they don't give actual numbers they can say weaselly stuff to their investors like "We're happy with subscription growth and retention" but the minute they give a real number they go to jail if it's not true or even only half true depending on how annoyed the investors or SEC is.


The big reveal.

Disappointingly, the series will be set 10 years before the original series and will focus on crewmembers elsewhere on the USS Discovery than the standard captain/bridge crew dynamic. The "main character" will be a lieutenant commander in Starfleet, possibly with a complicated relationship to the Captain.

The series is inspired by a specific incident referenced in the original series but not shown. My guess is that this will either be a flare-up in the conflict with the Klingons, or something like the USS Farragut incident (which haunted Captain Kirk for his whole life afterwards).

Characters from the original series could show up in a second season or later, but Season 1 will focus on the new, original cast. Apparently Bryan Fuller wants to explore the character of Amanda Grayson - Spock's mother, played by Winona Ryder in the Abramsverse - further but it's unclear if it will be in the first season.

It sounds promising, and with Fuller and Meyer writing it should be, but it also sounds limited. Going to the prequel well yet again rather than actually boldly going where no one has gone before just doesn't feel really like STAR TREK.

Sovereign Court

ugh, it gets worse and worse :(


Werthead wrote:
The series is inspired by a specific incident referenced in the original series but not shown. My guess is that this will either be a flare-up in the conflict with the Klingons, or something like the USS Farragut incident (which haunted Captain Kirk for his whole life afterwards).

William Shatner used that as the basis for the events of "Ashes of Eden" which takes place months before the launching of Enterprise-B. Although I suspect that like every other work with his name on it, it was ghost written.


Well there goes my interest in seeing Star Trek back on TV.

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