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[mocking]As part of the effort to gain more subscribers to their All Access service, CBS has mandated that THIS will be the duty uniform of all female crew members.[/mocking]
Arturius Fischer wrote:Didn't stop it from being the progenitor, or handling issues much better than, oh, Voyager or Enterprise.Oh hell yes. The later series became much more about maintaining a level of ratings then using science fiction to comment on society.
I will order all of the episodes.
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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:Watch the original series, read some of the very good expanded universe novels with him as a central character, and you'd understand.None of the STAR TREK novels have ever been canon, so that's not really something you can use. Although it is annoying, given that Peter David's splendid Borg novel VENDETTA was vastly superior to FIRST CONTACT or anything they did with the Borg later on.
We all have our preferences. I really wished TNG had gone with Romulans based on Diane Duane's The Romulan Way , but they didn't.
BigDTBone |
[mocking]As part of the effort to gain more subscribers to their All Access service, CBS has mandated that THIS will be the duty uniform of all female crew members.[/mocking]
Arturius Fischer wrote:Didn't stop it from being the progenitor, or handling issues much better than, oh, Voyager or Enterprise.Oh hell yes. The later series became much more about maintaining a level of ratings then using science fiction to comment on society.
I'm assuming by "later series" you are referring to Voyager and Enterprise, because TNG (overtly) and DS9 (thematically) had very strong social commentary embedded in their narratives.
Voyager premiered on "The Action Network" aka UPN and so had a different feel across the board, but still had some good attempts to keep the thoughtful commentary present. Particualrly, themes like the repercussions of death, isolation (both personal and communal), the nature of what it means to be human, the strength of axiomic beliefs outside the societies that developed them, etc. They may not have delivered on all of those but they did give it a go.
Enterprise suffered a worse fate but still had stand-out episodes like "Cogenitor," "Similitude," and "The Aenar" made good showings at using Science Fiction to deliver a message. The biggest problem with Enterprise in this regard was that Archer was a notorious flip-flopper and seemed to have ethics which matched his mood.
Werthead |
New STAR TREK series to film in Toronto in September
That seems to make the January airdate much more certain.
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Daronil |
It looks very similar to the "Star Trek: Phase II" Enterprise...that is, butt-ugly!
I really hope this is just a CGI test. It looks truly awful.
Daronil |
I'm still confused as to how this relates in the timeline of already established ST cannon...
With a registry of "NCC-1036", the Discovery would almost have to be commissioned in the TOS-era, prior to the name ship of the Constitution-class (NCC-1700).
The producers have said that Undiscovered Country is a "touchstone" for the new series, whatever that means. I suppose it's possible that the new series is a sequel to Undiscovered Country, set in the last decade of the 23rd century. That would be cool, but I can't see why an established deep-space explorer like an Excelsior class couldn't be used instead of the bizarre kit-bash they seem to have put together.
GreyWolfLord |
Not necessarily.
Enterprise 1701 was actually commissioned after the Borg affair and after All good things...of course, that would be the 1701-E rather than the original designation.
In that light, however, it is possible that a 1036 could be after a ship that was originally prior to the Constitution Class, but has a designation that's been handed down and onwards (maybe even like the 1701-A).
It's also possible that it's an older class that's been refitted to more modern technology.
The thing I noticed was that the ship looks like it's a cross between a Klingon D-7 and a more MOdern type ship like an Ambassador class.
I hope it's after the DS9/VOY continuity, as I'd like to see what happened after Nemesis and the old crew of TNG (and if were are REALLY lucky, see what the Titan actually looks like via official canon...and/or see a Captain or Admiral Riker, heck, I'd even like to see an Admiral Sulu).
However, with that designation, it could be that it occurs in an older ship after STVI...
On the ship itself, it looked like they utilized BAD CGI for it. I sure hope the special effects look better than that.
Ed Reppert |
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IIRC, the NCC in the ship's hull number stands for "Naval Construction Contract". It seems likely that the numbers would be in chronological order, which would indeed place Discovery's contract before the original Enterprise's.
According to Memory Alpha, "The Undiscovered Country" takes place in the last decade of the 23rd Century. Enterprise was launched in 2245, and Captain Kirk took command in 2265. He was in command of Enterprise A from 2286 to 2293 when (after the events of "The Undiscovered Country", the ship was decommissioned.
Krensky |
Oh dear god.
McQuarrie's design for the Planet of the Titans was ugly as hell in 1976, any it's only gotten worse with time. The Phase 2 Enterprise was designed by Matt Jefferies and is similar to the Motion Picture Enterprise that it became. As an aside, the numbers did mean something at first. The Enterprise was supposed to have been the 17th Starfleet cruiser design and the Enterprise the first in her class. Hence 1701. At least that's Jefferies' in universe explanation, the numbers were picked for easy recognition and similarity to his plane's tail number.
Back to the topic though, that is some of the worst CG I've seen in ages. SyFys's shows look better. Not just The Expanse, but Dark Matter and Killjoys. Hell, their old stuff (Farscape, Galactica, Stargate) looked better.
CBS isn't even phoning it in here...
Ed Reppert |
I don't think Constellation was a Constitution class ship. She was in her own class. That's from memory of a star trek concordance that was published in the 70s or 80s, and I no longer have it. The "facts" may have been retconned since then.
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It's all been retconned. :)
"NCC 1701" were call letters seen on a airplane that one of the designers thought was cool. One of the early star trek reference books that is not really canon retconned it to mean "Naval Construction Contract", but this was just one author's idea that had nothing to do with the original designation.
I agree that the new ship looks like something that happens when a federation starship and klingon battle cruiser love each other very much...
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Like I said earlier, Mark Jeffries said he chose 1701 because he wanted something easy to read and because it was close to the liscense number on his small plane.
He then explained where the number came from in the fiction. This got promptly ignored by Gene and the writers.
If memory serves, all the Constitution cruisers in the TOS have numbers made up of 1s, 7s, and 0s because they were using AMD model kits of the Enterprise for them.
Zaister |
I believe they selected this NCC number to mean that the ship is older that the original Enterprise. However, that does not necessarily mean the show is necessarily set in that era. Compare Star Trek Beyond, for example, where
I have this theory for the show that involves being set after Voyager, an old Pre-TOS era ship and time travel/stasis shenanigans.
Zaister |
The CGI doesn't really appear all that bad to me, and I do not have any problems with the quality of the CGI in Syfy shows either. The Expanse looks fine to me, as does Killjoys which I think is the best space scifi show in recent years. For me personally, CGI quality doesn't really have any bearing of how I judge a show. I also do not care if the ship is "ugly" because the way ships look is not at all important to me. I'm looking for characters and stories.
Aberzombie |
I kind of liked the ship design - sort of the bastard love child of a Federation ship and a Klingon Bird of Prey. Different, yet familiar. As for the name/ship number and when it's set - I kind of hope they don't set it before the original series. I'd much rather see them move forward.
I'm also interested to see what kind of cast we'll get. Hopefully, they'll at least have a few veteran actors in the mix.
Zaister |
it's a bit to test CGI to show off the design of the ship, for a show which I don't think even has a cast or scripts yet. I wouldn't assume the CGI quality has any relevance to the actual show
Actually, six of 13 scripts are in the can, according to showrunner Bryan Fuller. I think casting is probably underway at least, considering shooting is scheduled to start in September.
MMCJawa |
MMCJawa wrote:it's a bit to test CGI to show off the design of the ship, for a show which I don't think even has a cast or scripts yet. I wouldn't assume the CGI quality has any relevance to the actual showActually, six of 13 scripts are in the can, according to showrunner Bryan Fuller. I think casting is probably underway at least, considering shooting is scheduled to start in September.
Regardless it's footage that was probably just quickly created to show off the ship, and not necessarily representative of the show's actual use of CGI.
Ed Reppert |
Yeah, you're right. The numbering makes no sense though. I suspect the writers just threw out random hull numbers in some cases — including Constellation's.
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I was really hoping for some Captain Nog action, alas, not happening...grrrr
Nog IMO by far shows the most character growth in DS9, and as the first ferengi (as far as I know) in star fleet, let alone with the rank of captain, tht screams "I deserve a ST about me and my crew, and how the rules of acquisition apply here too!" ;)
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I was really hoping for some Captain Nog action, alas, not happening...grrrr
Nog IMO by far shows the most character growth in DS9, and as the first ferengi (as far as I know) in star fleet, let alone with the rank of captain, tht screams "I deserve a ST about me and my crew, and how the rules of acquisition apply here too!" ;)
You're right.
But it would even need to be "Captain Nog." But, he should be a senior officer.
But that doesn't seem to be in the cards either.
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Drahliana Moonrunner |
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:Is it me, or is the overall quality of the trailer falling short of a lot of fan CGI I've seen lately?Wait ... what trailer???
Trailer released at Comicon I do acknowledge the movie homage in the opening sequence, given that the series and ship name is Star Trek:Discovery.
Does anyone else get it?
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Potentially tying the fate of the first Star Trek show in a decade to a me-too streaming service seems quite foolish.
And yes, the CGI in that trailer is shockingly bad.
Even so, I'll definitely check this out.
That's why I think CBS is epically failing on this. All of their marketing needs to be a complete and total hypefest because it needs to justify spending $6 a month to watch the show on a service with commercials. And not like one or two every ten or twenty miutes like Hulu, but five or six every five to ten minutes like broadcast TV.
This trailer seeks to have been met with complete disinterest to dislike which would be bad for a series on broadcast, but there is no way this will make anyone but the super hard core trekkie subscribe, and they would anyway.