[Green Ronin Publishing] Advanced Bestiary... 2 ?


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Considering the success of the Advanced Bestiary, now converted to Pathfinder, are there plans to make a sequel to it, with new templates?

I understand that there is no small feat to create template, there are a few more that could be added. Here are a few suggestions.
- More Dread [Undead] templates... especially with those added in Bestiaries 2 to 5
- Templates related to Aeons, Psychochomps, Inevitables and other outsider groups.
- A "Robotic" template for constructs, like turning a Golem into a Robot.
- Class templates, like giving a creature class features from the Fighter [Martial], Rogue [Stealth], Cleric [Devoted] or Wizard [Arcane], for instance.


JiCi wrote:

Considering the success of the Advanced Bestiary, now converted to Pathfinder, are there plans to make a sequel to it, with new templates?

I understand that there is no small feat to create template, there are a few more that could be added. Here are a few suggestions.
- More Dread [Undead] templates... especially with those added in Bestiaries 2 to 5
- Templates related to Aeons, Psychochomps, Inevitables and other outsider groups.
- A "Robotic" template for constructs, like turning a Golem into a Robot.
- Class templates, like giving a creature class features from the Fighter [Martial], Rogue [Stealth], Cleric [Devoted] or Wizard [Arcane], for instance.

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Goodness knows the original was popular enough to be used by Paizo itself on a fairly regular basis. XD It's definitely the kind of product you'd want to have the ideas for before you started funding, but let's just say I wouldn't object...

As far as class features, though, the Monster Codex has Simple Class Templates that already do that (although there could be some room for expanding on that with the abilities of other classes).


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JiCi wrote:


- A "Robotic" template for constructs, like turning a Golem into a Robot.

There's a subtype (as opposed to a template) that does exactly this, in the Numeria setting book.


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I'm always interested in more templates:D

I'd particularly like if it could have both a 3.5 and a Pathfinder version so I don't have to do the conversions myself, even if one version ends up being digital-only.


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I'd kind of like to see the Fiend books adapted next (Armies of the Abyss, Legions of Hell, etc).

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Rednal wrote:

Goodness knows the original was popular enough to be used by Paizo itself on a fairly regular basis. XD It's definitely the kind of product you'd want to have the ideas for before you started funding, but let's just say I wouldn't object...

As far as class features, though, the Monster Codex has Simple Class Templates that already do that (although there could be some room for expanding on that with the abilities of other classes).

I second the idea of a second Advanced Bestiary. As far as Simple Class Templates for the non-Core classes go, Rogue Genius Games released a pdf compilation for them earlier this year. The Genius Guide to Simple Class Templates for Monsters is actually on sale right now.

(But seriously, Advanced Bestiary II! I'm down for another hardback as soon as the Kickstarter gets rolling... assuming everyone involved is up for it.)

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I'd like to see more templates as well.

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In fact, I enjoy modifying monsters so much, I actually wrote this document containing 40 new templates.


Truthfully, I'd actually prefer fewer Dread Undead templates myself. XD; They always felt a bit more... constraining... than most of the other options, and took up quite a lot of the first book. I'd expect some to be in the book regardless, but for me, it'd ideally be no more than half a dozen or so.


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While an Advanced Bestiary 2 may well be in the cards eventually, we first want to produce the 6-adventure Return to Freeport series, convert all the Freeport monsters that already exist to Pathfinder (and likely expand them with other appropriate creatures), and worl on a World of Freeport book.

But, we plan to support Freeport for a long time to come, so there are plenty of opportunities for more products down the line.


Rednal wrote:
Goodness knows the original was popular enough to be used by Paizo itself on a fairly regular basis. XD It's definitely the kind of product you'd want to have the ideas for before you started funding, but let's just say I wouldn't object...

Well, you can't have too many templates :P

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As far as class features, though, the Monster Codex has Simple Class Templates that already do that (although there could be some room for expanding on that with the abilities of other classes).

True, but... I feel like it could be further expanded, like to make them a real rebuilding template instead of just a simple one.

shady18 wrote:
JiCi wrote:


- A "Robotic" template for constructs, like turning a Golem into a Robot.
There's a subtype (as opposed to a template) that does exactly this, in the Numeria setting book.

Actually, the subtype is for certains creatures. I'm talking to take an actual non-robot construct and to make it into a robot.

Kvantum wrote:

I second the idea of a second Advanced Bestiary. As far as Simple Class Templates for the non-Core classes go, Rogue Genius Games released a pdf compilation for them earlier this year. The Genius Guide to Simple Class Templates for Monsters is actually on sale right now.

(But seriously, Advanced Bestiary II! I'm down for another hardback as soon as the Kickstarter gets rolling... assuming everyone involved is up for it.)

I... wasn't aware of that booklet. I'll check it out when I get the chance ^_^

My perspective about the book's popularity is that it got kickstarted fast when it got announced. There is a fanbase and/or a market for 1) template books and 2) Pathfinder-converted books.

Rednal wrote:
Truthfully, I'd actually prefer fewer Dread Undead templates myself. XD; They always felt a bit more... constraining... than most of the other options, and took up quite a lot of the first book. I'd expect some to be in the book regardless, but for me, it'd ideally be no more than half a dozen or so.

For my part (and I actually talked about it in another topic), I always felt like most undead creatures should be templated, because unless it's a rolling mass of negative energy, bones or corpses, an undead creature is a reanimated body or a restless spirit, and that can be from ANY living creature, "not just humanoids". That's what I like about the Dread templates, you can have custom ghouls, allips and wights, but in the end, they still remain "legit" creatures. It doesn't come out as weird to see a ghoul wolf, a hill giant shadow or a lacedon bronze dragon when you know that any living creature can potentially be reanimated.

BTW, I have yet to see a Dread Nightshade :P

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While an Advanced Bestiary 2 may well be in the cards eventually, we first want to produce the 6-adventure Return to Freeport series, convert all the Freeport monsters that already exist to Pathfinder (and likely expand them with other appropriate creatures), and worl on a World of Freeport book.

But, we plan to support Freeport for a long time to come, so there are plenty of opportunities for more products down the line.

As always when I suggest a product, it is never an emergency or a mandatory thing to do ;) I am not in a dire need for another template book and if I was, I... would probably need a check-up XD

I may not be a writer, but I think I can wrap my head around the fact that writting a book isn't easy, especially a rule book (that is what templates are, afterall: a collective of alternate rules for monsters).

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