Beholders


4th Edition


Can a beholder aim it's anti-magic eye forward and still shoot it's rays to the left, right and/or behind?


I don't see why not. In fact, isn't that supposed to be part of why they were such a threat? (Well... That and those multiple SoD rays).


...since someone has to say it at some point- I am fairly sure Pathfinder doesn't have beholders.

Mostly because any of the weird stuff like aberrations were just things people randomly came up with, so they are under copyright protection. Dragons and minotaurs aren't, obviously, since those come from ancient stories, but yeah... stuff like beholders are someone's property.

Pathfinder is based upon the open license documents from D&D 3.5.

I know this doesn't mean we can't help with the question, just thought we should get this out of the way. Sorry that I lack the expertise to give any advice on the actual question.

Scarab Sages

There is no facing in pathfinder. Any creature that can make multiple attacks can make them at any target in range regardless of direction.

That said, Don't summon Jones and Rodriguez.


lemeres wrote:

...since someone has to say it at some point- I am fairly sure Pathfinder doesn't have beholders.

Mostly because any of the weird stuff like aberrations were just things people randomly came up with, so they are under copyright protection. Dragons and minotaurs aren't, obviously, since those come from ancient stories, but yeah... stuff like beholders are someone's property.

Pathfinder is based upon the open license documents from D&D 3.5.

I know this doesn't mean we can't help with the question, just thought we should get this out of the way. Sorry that I lack the expertise to give any advice on the actual question.

Ahem... There are no Beholders in Pathfinder official material. The guy can just add them in their game, as usual...

He could also just call them Gazer and be done with it. :)


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Lemmy wrote:
lemeres wrote:

...since someone has to say it at some point- I am fairly sure Pathfinder doesn't have beholders.

Mostly because any of the weird stuff like aberrations were just things people randomly came up with, so they are under copyright protection. Dragons and minotaurs aren't, obviously, since those come from ancient stories, but yeah... stuff like beholders are someone's property.

Pathfinder is based upon the open license documents from D&D 3.5.

I know this doesn't mean we can't help with the question, just thought we should get this out of the way. Sorry that I lack the expertise to give any advice on the actual question.

Ahem... There are no Beholders in Pathfinder official material. The guy can just add them in their game, as usual...

He could also just call them Gazer and be done with it. :)

This is a rules forum question - the correct answer as far as it goes for this forum is "There are no Beholders in Pathfinder". It seems like a question for the homebrew forum.


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Or for the D&D 3.5 forum under Gaming.


David knott 242 wrote:

Or for the D&D 3.5 forum under Gaming.

Although there may be differences in the way that 3.5 and pathfinder treats the related mechanics (there were a lot of tweaks to various things, such as with polymorph spells for example). Thus we have it slightly appropriate for this forum.


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MeanMutton wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
lemeres wrote:

...since someone has to say it at some point- I am fairly sure Pathfinder doesn't have beholders.

Mostly because any of the weird stuff like aberrations were just things people randomly came up with, so they are under copyright protection. Dragons and minotaurs aren't, obviously, since those come from ancient stories, but yeah... stuff like beholders are someone's property.

Pathfinder is based upon the open license documents from D&D 3.5.

I know this doesn't mean we can't help with the question, just thought we should get this out of the way. Sorry that I lack the expertise to give any advice on the actual question.

Ahem... There are no Beholders in Pathfinder official material. The guy can just add them in their game, as usual...

He could also just call them Gazer and be done with it. :)

This is a rules forum question - the correct answer as far as it goes for this forum is "There are no Beholders in Pathfinder". It seems like a question for the homebrew forum.

Or we could read it as "Can a creature who emanates a cone of AMF still use its other appendages to use SLAs, spells and supernatural abilities?"

Or "According to the general rules of Pathfinder RPG, would this [random ability/tactics] of [random homebrew creature] work?"

Then we can help the OP instead of pointing out copyright issues that really don't matter to her/him.


Since we're answering this 3.5 question, the gauth could only aim 2 eye rays per round, the beholder could only aim 3. With no facing, any eye could fire any direction (including the central eye since the beholder could just deride which way to aim it each round).


DM_Blake wrote:
Since we're answering this 3.5 question, the gauth could only aim 2 eye rays per round, the beholder could only aim 3. With no facing, any eye could fire any direction (including the central eye since the beholder could just deride which way to aim it each round).

Not true. A beholder can aim only aim 3 in one particular 90 degree arc. It could use all but one if they were aiming in other directions.

And Thanks Lemmy!


I believe the limitation on aimed rays was 'at a single target'.

Thus, after you account for the AMF cone, for a target in an area where the cone does not exist, up to 3 rays could be focused at that target. The others would be aimed elsewhere, whether that was another 3 at another target, or whatever.

Edit: It is possible that Tyro is correct and I am mistaken.


Having just fought one on Monday in the 3.5 campaign I'm in, I can safely say that as long as no more than three rays focus on a specific individual, any number of the rays can point in any direction. You could have all 10 shoot from it's "left" side, evenly distribute the rays in all directions or even fire them all into the antimagic cone, effectively nullifying the entire attack.


But then there was the whole thing where all the eyes could look up. And nothing is stopping the beholder from rolling forward like a somersault. Which would bring all 10 eyes to bare in a single direction.
But that was just being evil >;)

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So are flowers still a good defense against beholders, or was it just that one time?

Scarab Sages

Well, they say that beauty is in the eye of the.... oh, skip it.

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