Can I go Super Saiyan?


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Simple question: Can you fire a Kinetic Blast or Gather Power while Raging?

I've just been thinking over things to combine with Kineticist as a way to pass the work hours and Barbarian and the idea of going all RAAAAAAWR!!! and bursting into flames and firing off Raging flame bolts fun. Yeah Rage wont help the Blast's damage or anything, but that's not really the point. I'm pretty damn sure Gather Power falls under "any ability that requires patience or concentration" but it's thematically pretty cool with the whole manifesting elements part of it but I'm not as SURE about Kinetic Blast. Kinda just strikes me as a fire and forget thing you just kinda do. I could just be ignoring obvious things that stop it since I like the idea and want it to work... oh well.

Free action Rage > Full Action Gather Power > 6 months of filler arc > Pyrokinetic Blast + Explosion + Empower = good times

Silver Crusade Contributor

I would totally allow it. It seems very in-flavor for the raw elemental power of the kineticist to be released under those circumstances.

That said... expect table variation/ask your GM.


no, it's a SLA so unless you have a way to cast spells while raging you can't. But I feel the Mad Magic feat would let it work.

Silver Crusade Contributor

That's what I get for not looking it up. ^_^

As spell-like abilities, they are technically unusable while raging. I agree on Mad Magic, though.

If you had the right build, I might still allow it without the feat - elemental totem/blood rage powers, for example, or an elemental bloodline bloodrager.


Hmmmmmm... I didn't even know Mad Magic was a thing... need Calm Stance and Perfect Clarity... "the barbarian doesn't gain any benefits from Rage other than the temporary hit points", does that include Rage powers or just the basic Rage package? Like, are you still Raging, thus fulfilling the "A barbarian gains the benefits of rage powers only while raging" criteria?

Grand Lodge

Without even reading the question I'm just going to say no because this isn't DBZ (and thank God for that).


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Now read the question and answer without bias.

I'd make it a Utility Wild Talent.


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I wasn't even thinking about them being spell-like abilities, I was thinking about how they require Concentration checks when attacked. Concentration checks = Concentration required =/= Rage-compatible

Grand Lodge

Azten wrote:
Now read the question and answer without bias.

I did read it afterwards, but I had nothing more to add as I haven't familiarized myself with the occult classes yet.

Shadow Lodge

What about bloodrager, they get to cast while blood raging.
[edit]worthwhile notion, but upon further reading, it's only good foe bloodrager spells.

The Exchange

I expected this thread to be about the chakras introduced in occult adventures. Hmm a barbarian might be good at that...


GeneticDrift wrote:
I expected this thread to be about the chakras introduced in occult adventures. Hmm a barbarian might be good at that...

Nah, wouldn't waste my breath on a system that is complete garbage. I'd love to go all "Rock Lee" on someone (Naruto for those not familiar), but as it stands that entire section in the book isn't worth wrapping a fish in...

On topic: I just like the raging elemental display of it all, and with Clarity Stance turning off all the unneeded bits and still granting the Temp HP s, this seems like something that could be fun, more so for a class that really likes to remove it's own HPs...

Side note: I don't typically build characters based on anime, but it's an easy reference when trying to describe a similar end result as anime covers quite a wide variety of possible ideas.

Grand Lodge

Mad Magic and Bloodrager works.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Mad Magic and Bloodrager works.

Pretty sure the best way to do this is with Barbarian. Bloodrage + Mad Magic is nice but I can't Gather Power as it's not a spell or spell-like. Clarity Stance/Moment of Clarity + Mad Magic removals all penalties of the Rage so I could still Gather Power... it's a higher feat/multiclass investment, but seems to pan out better... I think xD

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