I was thinking of creating a bard(dawnflower)/magus(kensai) for other reasons and I noticed that the bard gets armor proficiency with no spell failure. If this was Bard1/Kensai1, would the light armor proficiency with no arcane spell failure carry over to the Kensai?
Kinevon is correct, however the harakmaki and silken ceremonial armor are both light armors with no ASF. They aren't bad for any arcane caster without access to Mage Armor(or a willingness to use a slot for it).
So you're saying if the Kensai was a spontaneous caster it would work fine?
Where is this all written? Or where are you inferring it?
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So you're saying if the Kensai was a spontaneous caster it would work fine?
Where is this all written? Or where are you inferring it?
No, class features, like no problems with ASF when casting spells while wearing light armor, are CLASS features, and only apply to spells from that class.
Bard spells, due to the Bard class feature, can be cast without ASF while wearing light armor.
Magus spells, due to the Magus class feature, can be cast without ASF while wearing light armor.
The Kensai archetype for Magus gives up that class feature, as part of giving up any armor proficiency at all, so they suffer from ASF from any armor worn.
So you're saying if the Kensai was a spontaneous caster it would work fine?
Where is this all written? Or where are you inferring it?
No, class features, like no problems with ASF when casting spells while wearing light armor, are CLASS features, and only apply to spells from that class.
Bard spells, due to the Bard class feature, can be cast without ASF while wearing light armor.
Magus spells, due to the Magus class feature, can be cast without ASF while wearing light armor.
The Kensai archetype for Magus gives up that class feature, as part of giving up any armor proficiency at all, so they suffer from ASF from any armor worn.
Okay, I understand the Class feature part. The Bard and standard magus ability to cast spells in armor is a Class feature.
But by Multi classing, it seems I should have gained the armor as part of the multiclassing. I thought some features should transfer.
It makes sense that a Wizard shouldn't get a Cleric's abilities. But these are so small and similar and small. (1 level) I see I will have to talk to my GM about this and see what he says.
A bard can cast bard spells while wearing light armor and using a shield without incurring the normal arcane spell failure chance... A multiclass bard still incurs the normal arcane spell failure chance for arcane spells received from other classes.
What is the question again?
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Yeah dude, you would still get spell failure to any spells your Kenasi levels get you access to.
Here is what happens, the bard gets to cast BARD spells without spell failure in light armor. So any spell you cast as a bard is fine when you are in armor.
Now the Kenasi does not have that same armor proficiency. So any spells cast from the MAGUS spell list as a Kenasi would suffer the failure chance.
As a first level bard and first level kenasi you get 2 different sets of spells. So any spells you cast as a bard will have no failure chance as long as you are in light armor or no armor. But any spells you cast as a kenasi would suffer failure chance if you are wearing any armor.
The ability of the bard only affects the spells you cast as a bard. When you cast as a kenasi you have to use the kenasi armor proficiency rules.
Hopefully that was clear enough. Anyway, hope you have a great day and happy gaming to you and everyone else.
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I believe all things that alter other classes are things that don't refer to the class in their text.
You gain the orc subtype, including darkvision 60 feet and light sensitivity. If you already have darkvision, its range increases to 90 feet. Whenever you cast a spell that deals damage, that spell deals +1 point of damage per die rolled.
Notice the orc bloodline doesn't mention "A sorcerer" or any other language specific to the class.
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So you're saying if the Kensai was a spontaneous caster it would work fine?
Where is this all written? Or where are you inferring it?
No, class features, like no problems with ASF when casting spells while wearing light armor, are CLASS features, and only apply to spells from that class.
Bard spells, due to the Bard class feature, can be cast without ASF while wearing light armor.
Magus spells, due to the Magus class feature, can be cast without ASF while wearing light armor.
The Kensai archetype for Magus gives up that class feature, as part of giving up any armor proficiency at all, so they suffer from ASF from any armor worn.Okay, I understand the Class feature part. The Bard and standard magus ability to cast spells in armor is a Class feature.
But by Multi classing, it seems I should have gained the armor as part of the multiclassing. I thought some features should transfer.
It makes sense that a Wizard shouldn't get a Cleric's abilities. But these are so small and similar and small. (1 level) I see I will have to talk to my GM about this and see what he says.
Just to put it into perspective, with a different approach.
Bard 1/Sorcerer X
Any Bard spells cast using a Bard spell slot and the Bard's spells known would not have any ASF from worn light armor.
Any Sorcerer spells cast, using a Sorcerer spell slot and the Sorcerer's spells known, would still have ASF in light armor, even if the spell is also on the Bard spell list.
Sorry for the confusion (and the thread) I misread the bard proficiencies and never saw "cast bard spells while wearing light armor".
This thread should never have happened.
But thanks for putting up with me.