Kitsune Agile Racial Trait


Rules Questions

Liberty's Edge

Per the wording on the Polymorph subschool:

CRB wrote:
While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form.

Is the Kitsune racial trait Agile dependent upon their kitsune form (and thus lost in their human shape or Fox Shape) or is it retained while using the kitsune's racial polymorph abilities?

ARG wrote:
Agile (Ex): Kitsune receive a +2 racial bonus on Acrobatics checks.

For that matter, what about the Fast Shifter alternate racial trait?

ARG wrote:
Fast Shifter (Su) - You were born with an innate talent for switching between your natural forms. Using your racial change shape ability is a move action instead of a standard action. This racial trait replaces kitsune magic.

Or even Chage Shape?

ARG wrote:
Change Shape (Su) - A kitsune can assume the appearance of a specific single human form of the same sex. The kitsune always takes this specific form when she uses this ability. A kitsune in human form cannot use her bite attack, but gains a +10 racial bonus on Disguise checks made to appear human. Changing shape is a standard action. This ability otherwise functions as alter self, except that the kitsune does not adjust her ability scores.


"GM Call".

A racial skill bonus to acrobatics doesn't seem form-dependent to me.

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Ask your GM

I'd say you keep Agile and lose Fast Shifter.


OK I am working on the basis (from the wording) that the OPs questions are only in regard to it's natural forms and not to a different polymorph effect. In which case I have to ask why on earth would you lose fast shifter in any of your natural forms? That seems very counter-intuitive to me. It surely applies in all of your natural forms almost by definition.

I would be very surprised if Agile were ruled as form specific, but I wouldn't argue strongly against it - ask your GM.

Dark Archive

Vuliperre Reignhart wrote:

Per the wording on the Polymorph subschool:

CRB wrote:
While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form.

Is the Kitsune racial trait Agile dependent upon their kitsune form (and thus lost in their human shape or Fox Shape) or is it retained while using the kitsune's racial polymorph abilities?

ARG wrote:
Agile (Ex): Kitsune receive a +2 racial bonus on Acrobatics checks.

For that matter, what about the Fast Shifter alternate racial trait?

ARG wrote:
Fast Shifter (Su) - You were born with an innate talent for switching between your natural forms. Using your racial change shape ability is a move action instead of a standard action. This racial trait replaces kitsune magic.

Or even Chage Shape?

ARG wrote:
Change Shape (Su) - A kitsune can assume the appearance of a specific single human form of the same sex. The kitsune always takes this specific form when she uses this ability. A kitsune in human form cannot use her bite attack, but gains a +10 racial bonus on Disguise checks made to appear human. Changing shape is a standard action. This ability otherwise functions as alter self, except that the kitsune does not adjust her ability scores.

None of those "depend on your original form." Being Acrobatic is something anyone can be, and the other two are explicitly related to shapeshifting, thus they would not be tied to one form by definition.

The Concordance

All of the above abilities do not depend on your original form.

If Agile had been worded "Due to their well-balanced tails, Kitsune receive a +2 racial bonus on Acrobatics checks" then it would depend on your original form and would be lost when that tail was changed due to a polymorph effect.

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