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Hey Pathfinder Roleplaying Game fans: What does this mean to Fat Dragon Games, Fat Goblin Games, First Ones Entertainment, Little Red Goblin Games LLC, Lost Spheres Publishing, Purple Duck Games, Sasquatch Game Studio and Wayward Rogues Publishing?


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Clickbait. :(


I find this even more concerning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ


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It means some companies need to work on marketing, that's a terrible title for a thread:-(

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Zaister wrote:
Clickbait. :(

What was it about? Not about to click that link blindly.

Scarab Sages

It seems to just be a plug for a third-party book.


A 3pp 9 publisher co-op 'thwart Armageddon' campaign? Otherwise, it means not much of anything.


Zaister wrote:
Clickbait. :(

It's NOT clickbait. You can't do images on this forum

sidewaysmonkey wrote:

I find this even more concerning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Stop doing lazy a Rick Roll.

captain yesterday wrote:
It means some companies need to work on marketing, that's a terrible title for a thread:-(

You can tot he thread, read it AND commented. I think it is a little more effective than most might think.

Psyren wrote:
What was it about? Not about to click that link blindly.

As stated before, it is an image.

I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
It seems to just be a plug for a third-party book.

Actually a 3PP Kickstarter coming in February 2016.

Turin the Mad wrote:
A 3pp 9 publisher co-op 'thwart Armageddon' campaign? Otherwise, it means not much of anything.

It's a 3PP 9 Publisher co-op kickstarter 'thwart Armageddon' campaign inspired by DC Comics Crisis of the Infinite Earths and Marvel Comic Ultimate Galatus Story mash-up for Pathfinder.


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People, please. It's an advertisement. If you clicked the link, you were curious. If you're still curious about the product, then ask questions. If you're not, please don't clutter up the thread with grumbling. Just move on. This isn't the place to have a discussion over marketing techniques.


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Yeah I was curious, because it sounded like somethink like an upcoming policy change that affects third party publishers.

But then this "marketing technique" comes from the same guy who thought it was a funny "marketing technique" to claim that his company had picked up the then stuck-in-limbo Razor Coast only to go all "haha April Fools" on us then ...


Zaister wrote:

Yeah I was curious, because it sounded like somethink like an upcoming policy change that affects third party publishers.

But then this "marketing technique" comes from the same guy who thought it was a funny "marketing technique" to claim that his company had picked up the then stuck-in-limbo Razor Coast only to go all "haha April Fools" on us then ...

I am sorry you feel that way, but I understand.

All I can tell you is that this is going to be amazing. No really, AMAZING. The fact alone that ten 3PP are teaming up to create their own Campaign Serial / Adventure Path should be interesting enough. Hope you stick around to see the kickstarter and support us becaue you will be kicking your self that you missed out on getting this one.


Should be interesting, especially if the publishers are willing to take a wrecking ball to their own campaign settings in the process. One wonders who is overseeing the "overarch" and statting up the VBET.


Turin the Mad wrote:
Should be interesting, especially if the publishers are willing to take a wrecking ball to their own campaign settings in the process. One wonders who is overseeing the "overarch" and statting up the VBET.

There are a few worlds that are NOT going to make it. Things happen.

Actually two people are. Jeff Lee and Michael McCarthy are overseeing the initial concept, and I of course am handling layout and artists.


Looks like we can add another company name to the list of 3PP: Drop Dead Studios has been kind enough to join our Crisis of the World Eater upcoming Kickstarter. I wonder what 3PP will be next to join? Keep your eyes peeled.


Looks like we can add another company name to the list of 3PP: Storm Bunny Studios has been kind enough to join our Crisis of the World Eater upcoming Kickstarter. And now we are up to twelve 3PP companies working on this kickstarter. I wonder what 3PP will be next to join? Keep your eyes peeled.


The end of everything is coming unless people stop applying pointless double standards to smaller game companies. Less than a month ago, Paizo made a clickbait announcement about a "new Advanced Class Guide"...that was actually a new edition of the old Advanced Class Guide wit nine pages removed.
And that's just an example of Paizo using a misleading, if technically accurate, clickbait threat title. Not to mention the scores of times Paizo/Paizo employees have made public statements about their upcoming products that turn out to be outright lies, something LPJ has never done (that I know of). Yet somehow, people are able to look past the BS marketing and asses the actual content of Paizo products, but those same people are incapable of extending the same courtesy to other gaming companies.

Yes, I am bitter. Clickbait ads mildly irritate me, but double-standards annoy me an awful lot more.

Anyhow, LRGG is in. Does that mean we will be visiting Necropunk, or Dragon Tiger Ox, or both?


137ben wrote:
Less than a month ago, Paizo made a clickbait announcement about a "new Advanced Class Guide"...that was actually a new edition of the old Advanced Class Guide wit nine pages removed.

Where was that?


I'm not sure I understand. Are all these compnanies rebooting and forming one continuity company after some kind of crossover event?

Honestly if that's the case I'd be a bit stoked. Of the companies above that I have products for the products are kind of hit and miss for me but I own at least one thing that is beyond amazing. Also some of them have numerous small products that I wish were bound together into similar tropes so it's easier to buy and digest so having those designs focused into a single company would be amazing.


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137ben wrote:
The end of everything is coming unless people stop applying pointless double standards to smaller game companies. Less than a month ago, Paizo made a clickbait announcement about a "new Advanced Class Guide"...that was actually a new edition of the old Advanced Class Guide wit nine pages removed.

This is simply not true. The article was on the blog, with no pretenses made. And it was clear from the headline what they were referring to. Or did you actually believe whey were announcing a completely new book with the same title as an already existing one? And how do you arrive at "nine pages removed"? Neither the errata list nor the second printing PDF which is now availabe support this. The book's page layout has not changed at all. What are you referring to?

137ben wrote:
And that's just an example of Paizo using a misleading, if technically accurate, clickbait threat title. Not to mention the scores of times Paizo/Paizo employees have made public statements about their upcoming products that turn out to be outright lies, something LPJ has never done (that I know of). Yet somehow, people are able to look past the BS marketing and asses the actual content of Paizo products, but those same people are incapable of extending the same courtesy to other gaming companies.

Can you provide examples of these "lies"? Regarding LPJ, just check out his Razor Coast stunt.

I do not apply different standards to third party publishers. In fact I buy that kind of material extensively, from a variety of publishers. Even LPJ, on occasion.


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137ben wrote:

The end of everything is coming unless people stop applying pointless double standards to smaller game companies. Less than a month ago, Paizo made a clickbait announcement about a "new Advanced Class Guide"...that was actually a new edition of the old Advanced Class Guide wit nine pages removed.

And that's just an example of Paizo using a misleading, if technically accurate, clickbait threat title. Not to mention the scores of times Paizo/Paizo employees have made public statements about their upcoming products that turn out to be outright lies, something LPJ has never done (that I know of). Yet somehow, people are able to look past the BS marketing and asses the actual content of Paizo products, but those same people are incapable of extending the same courtesy to other gaming companies.

Yes, I am bitter. Clickbait ads mildly irritate me, but double-standards annoy me an awful lot more.

Anyhow, LRGG is in. Does that mean we will be visiting Necropunk, or Dragon Tiger Ox, or both?

I complain about all of these things. Nothing kills my interest in something more than misleading advertising, or something cryptic like some other 3PP put up in a thread that had a title basically like this, and then no details in the thread at all. That's the worst kind of advertising. The kind that only advertises to PEOPLE WHO ALREADY KNOW THE PRODUCT.

If you don't think your idea is interesting enough to even get people to GLANCE at it without some clickbait title, why do you think people are going to flock to fund it for you?


137ben wrote:

The end of everything is coming unless people stop applying pointless double standards to smaller game companies. Less than a month ago, Paizo made a clickbait announcement about a "new Advanced Class Guide"...that was actually a new edition of the old Advanced Class Guide wit nine pages removed.

And that's just an example of Paizo using a misleading, if technically accurate, clickbait threat title. Not to mention the scores of times Paizo/Paizo employees have made public statements about their upcoming products that turn out to be outright lies, something LPJ has never done (that I know of). Yet somehow, people are able to look past the BS marketing and asses the actual content of Paizo products, but those same people are incapable of extending the same courtesy to other gaming companies.

Look let NOT get into one of these agreements. We all have a passion for gaming and what is best that we support it in a positive way. I think everyone can agree to that.

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Yes, I am bitter. Clickbait ads mildly irritate me, but double-standards annoy me an awful lot more.

OK is it "clickbait" or good advertising? My job is to peek your interest, apparently I was able to do that with the title of the post. Now that I have you interested what do I need to do to keep your interest. I guess you will have to wait and see.

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Anyhow, LRGG is in. Does that mean we will be visiting Necropunk, or Dragon Tiger Ox, or both?

I am not completely sure which one that pick BUT I am thinking Necropunk. But don't hold me to that.

137ben wrote:
I'm not sure I understand. Are all these compnanies rebooting and forming one continuity company after some kind of crossover event?

No. It's a 3PP 9 Publisher co-op kickstarter 'thwart Armageddon' campaign inspired by DC Comics Crisis of the Infinite Earths and Marvel Comic Ultimate Galatus Story mash-up for Pathfinder. Is this interesting to you?

137ben wrote:
Honestly if that's the case I'd be a bit stoked. Of the companies above that I have products for the products are kind of hit and miss for me but I own at least one thing that is beyond amazing. Also some of them have numerous small products that I wish were bound together into similar tropes so it's easier to buy and digest so having those designs focused into a single company would be amazing.

I just this might be exactly what you want and have been looking for.

Rynjin wrote:
I complain about all of these things. Nothing kills my interest in something more than misleading advertising, or something cryptic like some other 3PP put up in a thread that had a title basically like this, and then no details in the thread at all. That's the worst kind of advertising. The kind that only advertises to PEOPLE WHO ALREADY KNOW THE PRODUCT.

Actually Rynjin what we are attempting to do is build interest is something over a long period of time. This kickstarter does start until February 2016. The reason for that, it gives us a LOT of time to get the message out to a LOT of potential donors. You would be surprised how many times I heard, "I would have supported your kickstarter, if I heard about it." It take multiple times (29 to be exact from many marketing sources) for a person to recognize an advertisement that have seen. What we are doing is making sure see info about this kickstarter 29 times.

Rynjin wrote:
If you don't think your idea is interesting enough to even get people to GLANCE at it without some clickbait title, why do you think people are going to flock to fund it for you?

Honestly, curiosity always gets the best of people. I place up a product that we place on sale with a very predictable title of what was going on on our blog. We also placed up the title of this thread at our blog. The new product sell blog post received one-fifth as many views as this one. Why? Curiosity. Marketing 101: Get people to see your product. Now that you have looked at it and if you are interested, you will be aware when we do our next ad next week with more information on it.

But I will let you on a little secret, we are going to release something on November 27th that ties directly into this kickstarter and future advertising posts. I think of it as a reward for those who have been interested in what we are doing with Crisis of the World Eater. But you have to wait until November 27th to get it. So the question is are you interested enough to wait for it?


Okay, I just want to nitpick for a moment: two of your quotes were misattributed. It makes me sort of wish the Paizo forums had a "multiquote" function.

Malwing wrote:
I'm not sure I understand. Are all these compnanies rebooting and forming one continuity company after some kind of crossover event?
Malwing wrote:
Honestly if that's the case I'd be a bit stoked. Of the companies above that I have products for the products are kind of hit and miss for me but I own at least one thing that is beyond amazing. Also some of them have numerous small products that I wish were bound together into similar tropes so it's easier to buy and digest so having those designs focused into a single company would be amazing.

You (LPJ) mistakenly attributed both of those quotes to me, when it was Malwing who wrote them. Granted, I AGREE with what Malwing said, but I shouldn't get credit for saying it:)


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Some information in the first post would have been nice. Especially since I'm having trouble loading the link. I take it this is an ad for a kickstarter or something? The title text is too vague and baity to tell. ;P

I think Rynjin's (and my) chief complaint is that we don't like feeling like we're on Buzzfeed on the Paizo forums.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Some information in the first post would have been nice. Especially since I'm having trouble loading the link. I take it this is an ad for a kickstarter or something? The title text is too vague and baity to tell. ;P

Here is a person who asked 20 questions about Crisis of the World Eater upcoming Kickstarter that I answered at EN World.


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40 pages doesn't really soundd like a lot for a project of this scope, or am I misunterstanding that answer?


Zaister wrote:
40 pages doesn't really soundd like a lot for a project of this scope, or am I misunterstanding that answer?

Our goal is to reach $5,000 which will cover the cost of the first of the three adventures plus added material that make up the core of the Crisis of the World Eater campaign series. If we reach $12,000 that will cover all of the main three adventures for this campaign serial. After $12,00 we have LOTS of add-on threshold goals to reach including side treks adventures from the 3PP, monster codex, Iconic Sourcebook and much more. Hope this explains this better.

Scarab Sages

Zaister wrote:
just check out his Razor Coast stunt.

Frog God has released Razor Coast, so the horse has been beaten and killed and then reanimated.


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We will be including a Necropunk adventure with this using a more "vanilla" pathfinder ruleset (phase order could totally make an appearance though).


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davrion wrote:
Zaister wrote:
just check out his Razor Coast stunt.
Frog God has released Razor Coast, so the horse has been beaten and killed and then reanimated.

That I know, and that is why I wrote "then stuck-in-limbo". At the time is was a rather jerkish stunt.

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I assume that this is what came out of that "Would you guys fund a kickstarter featuring multiple authors/companies?" thread.


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Little Red Goblin Games wrote:
We will be including a Necropunk adventure with this using a more "vanilla" pathfinder ruleset (phase order could totally make an appearance though).

Thanks for the info.

LazarX wrote:
I assume that this is what came out of that "Would you guys fund a kickstarter featuring multiple authors/companies?" thread.

Yes. We wanted to see if there was even an interest on a basic level. Since there was we moved to stage 2: Developing the idea into and adventure.

Sovereign Court

Shut up and take my Money already !


Stereofm wrote:
Shut up and take my Money already !

You have to wait until February 2016. :-)

But don't worry we will have something for you on November 27.


Rynjin wrote:
If you don't think your idea is interesting enough to even get people to GLANCE at it without some clickbait title, why do you think people are going to flock to fund it for you?

Consider it an opportunity to vote with your wallet. Don't support the project, and encourage your friends to do likewise. It's one of the reasons I don't buy LPJr products, because I don't care for their advertising tactics.


Another company added to our list of 3PP: Dias Ex Machina has been kind enough to join our Crisis of the World Eater upcoming Kickstarter. And now we are up to thirteen 3PP companies working on this kickstarter. I wonder what 3PP will be next to join? Keep your eyes peeled.


hope to see fair price on delivering to europe the big book ... (and not 60+$..)

BHH


buzzqw wrote:

hope to see fair price on delivering to europe the big book ... (and not 60+$..)

BHH

That depends on the size of the book normally. This book could easily get to 300 pages if the kickstarter does well. But I will do everything in my power to keep the cost of shipping as low as possible.


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There is way too much poster butthurt in this thread... WAY too much! Just calm down and take a Xanax already! It's not really a big deal. If this was a Gary McBride-type post, that would be one thing, but it really isn't, so don't be 'that guy' that turns a thread title into a big deal. It's neurotic.

As for the post itself, I will probably back the book! I happen to love a lot of the LMPJR books, particularly the NeoExodus and Obsidian Twilight/Apocalypse settings.


Since we have named all these companies we are going to be working on this with, which freelance writers would you like for us to add tot this project? Who do you think would add something awesome to this kickstarter?


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That's a good question. I have a few suggestions.

Christina has done a lot of good-quality material.

Thilo Graaf, AKA Endzeitgeist, has also done good work with the small amount of material that he has contributed and would prove an excellent way of having an in-house litmus test, so to speak.

Is Amanda still freelance? I am unsure as to her freelancer status.

The Four Horsemen! You know who they are, I presume? Not the Biblical ones! :P

I would gladly add some material with no expectations of pay other than a copy once the product is complete and my name in the credits. The nature of my work allows long hours of free time and I have a knack for cool stuff, particularly sci-fi and eschatological type campaign settings.

Those are the actual freelancers that I could think of. Most freelancers have gotten recruited by one publisher or another, if I recall correctly. Still, you've got some awesome writers just with the companies that you listed!


Another week. Another message.


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LMPjr007 wrote:
My job is to peek your interest

*pique


BigDTBone wrote:
LMPjr007 wrote:
My job is to peek your interest
*pique

Well I guess since I git you to read through this thread I certainly piqued yours. :-)


After lots of debate I decided that that we at LPJ Design are going to adding four side trek to this kickstarter as donor rewards. I think with titles like these you might know what we think is going to happen in them:

The Final Days of the Forlorn Kingdoms
The Final Days of the Hallowhaus
The Final Days of the Scorched Lands
The Final Days of the Brightforge

I am not one for being subtle, but I think you can see what we have planned. Maybe...


Your numbers mean nothing...


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Great NEWS!!!!! Dreamscarred Press has signed on to join up in the Crisis of the World Eater! Psionics!!!! They are going to kill you with their mind!!!!


[Crisis of the World Eater] The Emissary of the Deliverer of Omega is coming...


If you have been wondering about those weekly ads we keep releasing AND you have not read this whole thread, then you might want to watch this video, it explains a lot.


And now, Pathfinder Roleplaying Game​ fans, the final warning...


And now Pathfinder RPG by Paizo fans, let's tell you about the Crisis of the World Eater prequel, A Warning Too Late.

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