Help with a Friends Character


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Silver Crusade

So Paizo fourms a friend of mine is joining our second weekly campagin and our DM has allowed him to play a Orc, he wants to play a Very wierd build that is quite strange, but he is still new so I need a hand with it for him he is doing.

Invulnerable Rager 9/Sorceror 1/ Dragon Disciple 10

I know a wierd build, he is just using the Spell levels for buff spells, from what he has told me he want to hit things and watch them explode in to gore (He is wierd) I was a bit confused by the build until he told me about the Eldrtch Hertiage Tree for the strength bonus and he wants, but other then that he is not sure about Feats etc, I also tried to see if 10th Dragon Disciple was worth it over 10 Barb for pounce he got a amazing rolls for his scores I mean amazing

18,18,16,13,14,15,11

(That's godly)

So Paizo fourms break it for him so he hit things and watch them explode...

Grand Lodge

seems like your friend knows a bit about optimizing.

also 7 stats?

I highly recommend NOT taking 10 levels of Dragon disciple...only 8.

Have him look at Primalist Bloodrager/dragon disciple with Orc heritage feat line for more Str bonueses. Bloodrager can qualify for Dragon Disciple. I recommend 12 levels Bloodrager/8 Levels Dragon Disciple.

the big reasons for Bloodrager are:
Casting while in Medium armor...as a barbarian you need feats for that.

only being -2 on Caster Level so your buffs last longer than 5 minutes and you get better spells.

You will reach greater rage.

You will be Full BaB and will hit most things with retaliative ease

Silver Crusade

11 was the stat he removed, they where just his rolls, I will have a look in to primalist, he wanted wings and a breath weapon mainly, this is his first pathfinder character, but he plays a lot of RPG Computer games with me.

EDIT: Read the Primalist, but I was wondering if you replace a power from bloodrager with a Rage power, then gain blood of the dragons, do you regain that ability you removed with the Primalist Ability?


Nope, you don't gain them back, you just get increased versions of what's left.

Anyway, back to advice:

He really should pick up the Eldritch Heritage feat line, with the sorcerer Orc Bloodline powers. It ends up giving him +6 str by level 19.

What level are you starting at?

If it's first level, something like this could be fun:

MurderKarl:
Orc Bloodrager 1
AC: 17
HP: 17
Attack: Scimitar Twohanded, +6, 1d6+9 <- this right here is enough to make goblins explode.
Rage & Power Attack: Scimitar 1-handed, +7, 1d6+10
(assumed that light sensitivity applies here)
Stats: Str 22, Dex 15, Con 18, Int 11, Wis 12, Cha 14
Feats: Power Attack
Draconic Bloodline
Bloodrage
Claws when bloodraging.
Gear: Scale Mail, Scimitar and Heavy Shield. Also, a club and a dagger.
Skills: Survival, Perception & Knowledge(Arcana) + 1 other.

When bloodraging, you draw your heavy shield, and power attack. Otherwise, just use the scimitar in two hands for more damage.

This ensures that AC stays high, even when Bloodraging, where usually you drop off some AC.

1d6+9 is more than enough to make everything explode as a first-level character, hence the shield.

I'd keep the shield around for the next level, but once you reach 3rd level, dump the shield in favor of two-handing a glaive or something else with reach. At the same level, pick up Combat Reflexes as your feat. This allows you to take advantage of attacks of opportunity as people run away from you screaming with fear, and is thus a good idea. Wear armor spikes for the occasions where you can't move away from people to hack at them with your reach.

One of your fourth-level rage powers should be Reckless Abandon, to make sure your enemies explode properly.

The other is whatever you like, just grab what seems cool from the list.

At fifth level, take Skill Focus: Survival. It's a bad feat, but you need it to get Eldritch Heritage(Orc Bloodline), which is a prerequisite for Improved Eldritch Heritage(Orc Bloodline: Strength of the Beast), Which you can pick up at 11th level.

At sixth level, you should start taking Dragon Disciple Levels.

At seventh level, take Eldritch Heritage(Orc Bloodline). It lets you use Touch of Rage a bunch of times per day, and is a sucky feat. We take it only for prerequisite purposes.

At 8th level you get a breath weapon. It's not a very good one either, but it's kind of cool to have.

9th level gets us Improved Critical(Your Reach Weapon of choice), which makes you a deadly murder machine of Gory explosions.

At 11th level, you get Eldritch Heritage(Strength of the Beast) and can improve your strength by 2 more. Your strength is currently (assuming +2 from levelups, but no magic items or rage) 30.

If you have a belt of +4 strength and you rage, this number increases to 38.

This is a lot of strength, and should translate to appropriately gory explosions of blood and mangled fountains of flesh. I'm sure you can manage yourself from here.

If you need advice, I'd stop taking Dragon disciple after 9th level, where you get your wings. This is done so you can get Greater Bloodrage at level 20 (Bloodrager level 11), and increase your strength by two more points.

Also, pick up Critical Focus and a critical feat you like.

Edit: a 1 level dip into Mutagenic Mauler Archetype Brawler will get you a +4 alchemical bonus str buff that stacks with everything else. It takes a standard action to use though, so it's only for long battles.

Grand Lodge

Actually He could Trade off the Breath weapon from the Bloodline and take a rage power and then when he gets Dragon Disciple he can gain the breath weapon through the PrC. Same with the Wings. If he is willing to wait to gain them at a later level.

However wings are not that great of a power under the Bloodrager Bloodline. Because those wings only happen when raging. He can easily get scrolls of fly and make due with that. The PrC wings are better and can be used all day. But requires 9 levels of Dragon disciple which delays spell casting, but might not make a difference to him the player.

But with form of the dragon he can BE a dragon and have both Breath weapon and flight through that transformation. and with Power attack he can easily be a raging Dragon tearing apart the field.

Out of wing and breath weapon I tend to like the breath weapon more. But the fact it is only 1-2 uses a day tends to keep me from focusing on it. It is a nice ability to have tho to gain some hatered from a large group (Cone) or to reach someone in the back with the line. Nothing like moving forward (But cant reach them with movement) and holding action for the caster to begin to cast and hitting him with a 60ft line breath weapon. Surprise the front liner has some nasty tricks.


I was assuming he started taking dragon disciple at 6th level. That way he gets his breath weapon at 8th level.

And yeah, since he said he wanted wings, I figured he should take 9 levels and leave it there.

By taking 9 DD levels you only lose out on 3 caster levels. Normally that'd be bad, since a sorcerer would lose access to 9th level spells, but bloodragers don't really case, since all they lose is a few spells per day and 3 caster levels.

Personally I'd do Primalist Bloodrager 1/Mutagenic Mauler Brawler 1/ Primalist Bloodrager +3/Dragon Disciple 9/Primalist Bloodrager +6

Simple, sweet, and with more strength than you can shake a stick at.

Silver Crusade

I'm gonna be good to my friend here and say he is a little on the special side, so he not that great with numbers and stuff so that's why I wanted simple things, I think the bloodrager build in to dragon disciple would work, as I am trying to keep it nice and simple for him. (Btw I'm the GM)


Math is the bane of many people. Barbarians and bloodragers are usually bad classes, in those circumstances. Are you sure you shouldn't go with a fireball specialist wizard or sorcerer instead? There will be plenty of very interesting explosions.

Silver Crusade

Maybe I will asking him, he was interested in a Ranged Person but the campagin is filled with dungeons with tight corners and that but I will see, he was thinking off a Barb, a Hunter or a Spellcaster of some kind (I'm experienced in spellcasters.)

Silver Crusade

So he is going with something completely different he, is going to play a Straight Barb instead just get wings and that by rage powers.

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