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In my campaign, one of my characters wants to become a lich and I told him in a vision that he needed these items for the ritual
Astral Essence - to preserve his soul from time
Daemon Blood - To have a being to guide his soul and protect it
ground Hand of a Murderer - Used to hold his soul
An unholy symbol of his god - To show his gratitude to the undead
Ground Drocolich Bone
Wyvern Poison
Umbral dragon heart blood
Stardust
Grund Unicorn Horn
The object he wants to be his phylactery - a large bloodstone
Steps of ritual
1. put the mixture of wyvern poison, heart blood, daemon blood into a skull of his race in the satanic circle
2. Put the mixture of dracolich bone, star dust, horn, essence and burn it in the circle
3. Put the blood stone in the circle in a bowl of your blood
4. He lays in the circle with the symbol on his chest
5. He says a spell in a long lost undead language
He then as he is saying the spell floats up and the soul separates from him out of the symbol. The god needs to corrupt it. Then it is coated in the blood mixture and is hardened with the dry mixture and then goes in the blood stone
This must be done at noght while a Blood moon is high
IF the soul is not corrupted he will become a daemon
If the spell is saikd wrong he dies
If the item is not in a pool of his blood he become a restless spirit
Actually... I may need another way to do it... My player is a cleric to Asmodeus... He wants to become a lich to serve his master for all time and has even written contracts to present Asmodeus once he can cast gate. He also wants to have a phylactery that he can give to Asmodeus to keep. He has gone from a River, to a gem, to a cookie jar and more. I read that one could be made of any container so I am allowing it once he decides the object. The problem is I don't know where to begin to assign him quests to make it.
Actually... I may need another way to do it... My player is a cleric to Asmodeus... He wants to become a lich to serve his master for all time and has even written contracts to present Asmodeus once he can cast gate. He also wants to have a phylactery that he can give to Asmodeus to keep. He has gone from a River, to a gem, to a cookie jar and more. I read that one could be made of any container so I am allowing it once he decides the object. The problem is I don't know where to begin to assign him quests to make it.
You can do this in your game just be imaginative. Have the devil be an enemy of asmodeous. Have the Dragons be a bounty. ETC
Nice.
Check out the Dicefreaks Lich template(3.5) for some additional crunch on the phylactery.
Thoughts on river/riverbed phylactery... He basically said he wanted to make a.... Garden like thing... landscape? I don't know quite what he meant. and do that for Asmodeus' plane.
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Umbral dragon heart blood
Why not the entire heart?
1. put the mixture of wyvern poison, heart blood, daemon blood into a skull of his race in the satanic circle
Make it more personal and selfish, into the skull of a close family member. Still will be part of his race, but will be a lot more evil nature and show his commitment for getting to immortality
everything else is pretty cool and awesome.
Edit: Thought of more stuff
Although i would add in more evil acts of killing the righteous, using the blood of a virgin, getting a paladin to commit an evil act so he falls. Have the ritual site be a village of innocents that he burned to the ground. Capture all their souls to be consumed in his ritual. Turn his closest friends into mindless undead servants, or powerful but subjugated undead servants under his total control.
Thoughts on river/riverbed phylactery... He basically said he wanted to make a.... Garden like thing... landscape? I don't know quite what he meant. and do that for Asmodeus' plane.
So he wants a place to be his phylactery, The side effects would be that that place would change based on his soul. An example would be if he made it a town and he is playing a lawful evil drider lich. The people would turn into undead driders and mafias would sprout up and the water would be dark red powerful negative energy water that heals undead. He would form in the town center. If he used a river the fish would become demonic, the water would be the same as above. However, the water would flow into the ocean and eventually turn all of the ocean into a phylactery and since earth absorbs water the whole world would be his phylactery and every one would be under his control. If it is in his plane the river would become his way of going to Asmodeus' plane
"a place" cant be a Phylactery.
A Phylactery is a is a discreet magic item.
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The most common form of phylactery is a sealed metal box containing strips of parchment on which magical phrases have been transcribed. The box is Tiny and has 40 hit points, hardness 20, and a break DC of 40.
Other forms of phylacteries can exist, such as rings, amulets, or similar items.
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Emphasis on "similiar items".
What your player seeks is more like a ghost, just with a body. You'd have a Lich-like homebrew undead.
"a place" cant be a Phylactery.
A Phylactery is a is a discreet magic item.
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The most common form of phylactery is a sealed metal box containing strips of parchment on which magical phrases have been transcribed. The box is Tiny and has 40 hit points, hardness 20, and a break DC of 40.Other forms of phylacteries can exist, such as rings, amulets, or similar items.
--Emphasis on "similiar items".
What your player seeks is more like a ghost, just with a body. You'd have a Lich-like homebrew undead.
Technically it can be because the lich can imbue the river with his phylactery and polymorph it into sand or water
If a phylactery can corrupt by touch, it could be a ring of invisibility, like in LOTRs. :)
Can I add this ritual to my ritual topic?
Go to Rituals.
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Technically it can be because the lich can imbue the river with his phylactery and polymorph it into sand or water
No, the description on the lich says that the phylactery must be a small object, so you can't "imbue the river with his phylactery." Polymorph doesn't work either because even Polymorph Any Object can only turn one object or creature into another object or creature, not turn an object into a liquid like water or a collection of small objects like grains of sand. You could certainly make your phylactery a nondescript pebble and drop it into a river or ocean, but as interesting as it would be to have a place act as a phylactery, it's not allowed. This in particular would be outrageously overpowered:
If he used a river the fish would become demonic, the water would be the same as above. However, the water would flow into the ocean and eventually turn all of the ocean into a phylactery and since earth absorbs water the whole world would be his phylactery and every one would be under his control.
If the player wants a garden as a phylactery I would recommend choosing a small, disguised object within a garden, and then set the garden up as a well-defended sanctuary with a portal to Asmodeus as desired.
I would also recommend that the actual ritual be much more personalized and reflect the character's devotion to Asmodeus. Making sentient sacrifices to devils, corrupting innocents, or contracts written in blood would be good inclusions.
If a phylactery can corrupt by touch, it could be a ring of invisibility, like in LOTRs. :)
Can I add this ritual to my ritual topic?
Go to Rituals.
Yeah of course you can if you said I made it
Technically it can be because the lich can imbue the river with his phylactery and polymorph it into sand or water"a place" cant be a Phylactery.
A Phylactery is a is a discreet magic item.
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The most common form of phylactery is a sealed metal box containing strips of parchment on which magical phrases have been transcribed. The box is Tiny and has 40 hit points, hardness 20, and a break DC of 40.Other forms of phylacteries can exist, such as rings, amulets, or similar items.
--Emphasis on "similar items".
What your player seeks is more like a ghost, just with a body. You'd have a Lich-like homebrew undead.
A river is not a distinct physical object. "Similar items" is indicative of a single physical object, not the terrain. Magical objects are not subject to polymorph any object without suppressing their magic - and even if they are so suppressed, that radical a change in physical form won't last terribly long. The most common undead found bound to a physical location are ghosts (and of course there are others). One of the benefits of the phylactery is its portability. You can be all undead anywhere you want.
RE: Manji-kuu - you may be devoted to Asmodeus, but do you believe that he's willing to wait eons for your one soul? What does he have to gain by stashing your puzzle box in his domain of Hell? In short, what does Asmodeus gain from the arrangement? I hope you have a veritable horde of befouled mortal souls in trade (proto-lemures)/prepped and ready for ritual sacrifice. How's your Profession (barrister) bonus looking?
Lmao I forgot I had commented on this. Let me restart one more time. Hope you all still see this.
He came to me and said that what he had read as long as the thing he used as a phylactery could contain something it could be used. As a joke he said river. And I have been wondering how I would do that. I don't have to.
Other than that... He's going around with contracts he drew up and having people sign them. The FINE PRINT (Of which Asmodeus is well known to use and amuse himself with) state that categorically you sign your soul over to Asmodeus. He has gotten one approved during an encounter between a priest of Kuthon and himself. Long story on that but the jist is if someone were to sign the contract once they die Asmodeus takes their souls. He's gotten 12 idiots so far... I've been rolling a d20 check to see who would sign. a 1-3 will sign and screw themselves for eternity. He wants to be Asmodeus' butler or some such crap. The way he has been playing this character has been hilarious so I've been letting him get away with more than I should.
I don't know if he'll make it because of the plan I have this week... If any of you know discworld.
As you are walking back to your town along the road the spell casters meet a hooded man. He speaks somewhat to you all and his voice... it resonates with your body... frame. As you all introduce yourselves he seems very intrigued in your names. He says, "It's still a bit early but I would like to shake your hands. Especially yours SkullHeadFace.(the Lich wannabe)"
I honestly don't know if I will allow them to touch his hand. One of my players is really... retarded about doing things that can get him killed. I do want to mention my last hint of who it is before a hand is shaken. As he approaches, you see a hooded rat skitter out of his hood onto his shoulder and you hear, "SQUEAK." Much like how the man speaks the squeak reverberates through your very being.
But just in case it comes up again. How could you turn a riverbed into a phylactery. Not the river... it's on top of it. What ritual could you perform to change that. Let me know what you think about I'll try to check back more often, sorry.
Lmao I forgot I had commented on this. Let me restart one more time. Hope you all still see this.
He came to me and said that what he had read as long as the thing he used as a phylactery could contain something it could be used. As a joke he said river. And I have been wondering how I would do that. I don't have to.
Other than that... He's going around with contracts he drew up and having people sign them. The FINE PRINT (Of which Asmodeus is well known to use and amuse himself with) state that categorically you sign your soul over to Asmodeus. He has gotten one approved during an encounter between a priest of Kuthon and himself. Long story on that but the jist is if someone were to sign the contract once they die Asmodeus takes their souls. He's gotten 12 idiots so far... I've been rolling a d20 check to see who would sign. a 1-3 will sign and screw themselves for eternity. He wants to be Asmodeus' butler or some such crap. The way he has been playing this character has been hilarious so I've been letting him get away with more than I should.
I don't know if he'll make it because of the plan I have this week... If any of you know discworld.
As you are walking back to your town along the road the spell casters meet a hooded man. He speaks somewhat to you all and his voice... it resonates with your body... frame. As you all introduce yourselves he seems very intrigued in your names. He says, "It's still a bit early but I would like to shake your hands. Especially yours SkullHeadFace.(the Lich wannabe)"
I honestly don't know if I will allow them to touch his hand. One of my players is really... retarded about doing things that can get him killed. I do want to mention my last hint of who it is before a hand is shaken. As he approaches, you see a hooded rat skitter out of his hood onto his shoulder and you hear, "SQUEAK." Much like how the man speaks the squeak reverberates through your very being.
But just in case it comes up again. How could you turn a riverbed into a phylactery. Not the...
First you could let him take the sand out if the riverbed and make him make his phylactery into sand and it could taint the water into unholy water
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I didn't read entire thread besides a first original post, but here is a thought to ponder on. Making a phylactery means leaving all positive emotions that make a human being locked in a single box. It does include soul also, yes, but making a phylactery is personal process that usually lasts dozens of years. Each phylactery recipe is hence different.
What I would include in making such recipe is around twenty or so human's most positive emotions (such as love, hope, joy, happiness, gratitude, etc.) and instead of collecting items, tell the character that he has to prove through in-game world how to remove such emotions (making NPC to fall in love with him but returning none until NPC kill himself, doing several acts that should provide joy but showing none, tricking NPC into taking his entire wealth, etc.). It's a more daunting task then collecting several items, don't you think?
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Hmmmm... See I was thinking of making him dredge a river and performing his rite upon that. It sounds possible that it would work.
Tell that To Tar-Baphon, the Whispering Tyrant. There's a rumor that he made Aroden his phylactery, and Aroden gave up his status as a deity so that he could end Tar-Baphon for good."a place" cant be a Phylactery.
A Phylactery is a is a discreet magic item.
Not rumors, most probably spread by fans of Tar-baphon to even more glorify their idol. But rules.
The Lich's PhylacteryAn integral part of becoming a lich is the creation of the phylactery in which the character stores his soul. The only way to get rid of a lich for sure is to destroy its phylactery. Unless its phylactery is located and destroyed, a lich can rejuvenate after it is killed.
Each lich must create its own phylactery by using the Craft Wondrous Item feat. The character must be able to cast spells and have a caster level of 11th or higher. The phylactery costs 120,000 gp to create and has a caster level equal to that of its creator at the time of creation.
The most common form of phylactery is a sealed metal box containing strips of parchment on which magical phrases have been transcribed. The box is Tiny and has 40 hit points, hardness 20, and a break DC of 40.
Other forms of phylacteries can exist, such as rings, amulets, or similar items.
Last two words of the actual rules about Phylacteries. "A Riverbed", "A City", or other stuff i heared fling around like "The Concept of Love", "The Moon" or "A small Child" are all not possible. Because they are not similar items to the standart forms:
* tiny metal box* ring
* or an amulett.
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A phylactery is typically small object so it's easier to transport and safeguard. Making river, city or any other very large phylactery (provided that such a thing is even possible) would be the most illogically made phylactery ever. Imagine it, a paladin walks by and his detect evil pings asap in the area. Soon enough you have a crusade on your shoulders. A city would be instantly wiped of this evil aura likewise. And I can imagine river flowing into the sea or somewhere else where it doesn't exist anymore which would cause imminent destruction of lich. It's no wonder that liches prefer smaller objects. Anything else is too big gamble to take.
As a thought exercise, perhaps redirecting the river to form the requisite runes with its flow would allow something. Seems like a lot of work and risk, though, and you'd need to prevent the river from shifting over time.
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Hmmm I like the occult idea. But I disagree with the "rules". Isn't the whole idea of playing this to play how you want. Sure it's complicated coming up with your own reasons and rules but it's better than constantly saying you can't do that. So I say to you don't be a Mr or Mrs negativity.
Figured I'd give my thoughts on using this as a general recipe. It seems like this worked great in your game, so this is mostly just suggestions for other people who might want to use this!
Astral Essence - to preserve his soul from time
This is a good one. The Astral Plane is timeless, so that ties in well.
Daemon Blood - To have a being to guide his soul and protect it
Daemons don't guide souls- they eat them. They are ultimately concerned with the destruction of souls. I would probably instead use the blood of a psychopomp instead, which explains why they would hate liches in particular, and the poetic justice of corrupting their blood towards the end of turning undead is nice.
ground Hand of a Murderer - Used to hold his soul
Not bad, although grinding it up does kind of defeat the purpose of it holding anything.
An unholy symbol of his god - To show his gratitude to the undead
Generally, I get more of an arcane vibe from most liches, since those interested in the divine are a little less concerned about the great thereafter. Sure, if you're working for Urgathoa it's a good idea, but other than that this doesn't seem like that great of a fit.
Ground Drocolich Bone
Hmm. This one I disagree with. How do you get dracoliches in the first place if their bones are used in the process of making a lich? Sure, there are multiple recipes, but it seems like this is a bit self-referential. Besides, the whole point of being a lich is that you want to keep using those bones. So this requires the bones of a very specific type of failure.
Wyvern Poison
Wyvern poison is a bit middle-of-the-road, comparatively speaking. Wyverns don't have anything to do with death thematically, either. I'd probably use King's Sleep, which deals Con drain over the course of several days. Part of the ritual could submitting and letting the poison eat away at you until you "die". (Undead having no Con score, dying by Con drain is a nice transition.)
Umbral dragon heart blood
All blood is heart blood, otherwise the heart is terrible at its job. In general, I don't know about using vital bits and pieces of anything typically evil and living. The heart of somebody who trusted you, maybe?
Stardust
This is a good one in terms of scale. There's only one star on hand, though, and that's the sun. If you get too technical, everything around us is made of stardust anyhow. Not sure how this one is actually implemented. (Also, Interplanetary Teleport is a ninth level spell. It's easier to hop between planes then to mosey around the reaches of the Material Plane. You can cheat your way around that with crafting, though.)
Grund Unicorn Horn
Very Voldemort- not a bad thing by any measure.
The object he wants to be his phylactery - a large bloodstone
Most important part!
Steps of ritual
1. put the mixture of wyvern poison, heart blood, daemon blood into a skull of his race in the satanic circle
2. Put the mixture of dracolich bone, star dust, horn, essence and burn it in the circle
3. Put the blood stone in the circle in a bowl of your blood
4. He lays in the circle with the symbol on his chest
5. He says a spell in a long lost undead language
He then as he is saying the spell floats up and the soul separates from him out of the symbol. The god needs to corrupt it. Then it is coated in the blood mixture and is hardened with the dry mixture and then goes in the blood stone
This must be done at noght while a Blood moon is high
IF the soul is not corrupted he will become a daemon
If the spell is saikd wrong he dies
If the item is not in a pool of his blood he become a restless spirit
There are no satanic circles in Pathfinder. Asmodean circle? I'd probably just make it something very complicated.
And as others have noted, there are no runner-up prizes for messing up the ritual. People who want to be liches make poor daemons and would probably need a long time stewing in Abaddon before becoming one. People become liches to not die, whereas daemons really want to die- they just have to tidy up every other living thing first. Or did you mean "he dies and eventually becomes a daemon"? For a general-purpose ritual that people can use, there probably shouldn't be any required divine intervention, since plenty of would-be-liches are in it to avoid any divine appointments.
A personal preference- "long lost undead language" feels a little odd. Undead last a really long time, and if the language gets dredged up for use in lichification, it's probably not going to really be lost. Something like reciting the words of the first shade or some such thing fills in nicely.
Daemon Blood - To have a being to guide his soul and protect it
This is the best trolling of a PC going Lich that I've ever seen.
Here is my revised Recipe
Astral Essence - to preserve his soul from time
Psychopomp Blood - To have a being to guide his soul and protect it
ground Hand of a Murderer - Used to hold his soul
If he uses divine magic - An unholy symbol of his evil god
If he is arcane - a sin magic rune of gluttony
King's Sleep - To let his body prepare for the transformation
Heart of a Corrupted Paladin - to store the hand
Stardust - to make the soul a conduit of immense power
Grund Unicorn Horn - To strengthen your brittle bones
A skull of his 5-year-old child
The object he wants to be his phylactery - a large bloodstone
Steps of ritual
1. Sacrifice the 5-year-old soul to one of the horseman of abbadon
2. Drink King's Sleep from the skull
3. Let the poison ravage your body until the first blood moon
4. At midnight go to the centre of a town
5. Draw a circle of death around the town
5. Then draw a square of your blood inside it
6. Then a triangle inside the square out of the blood of the dead villagers
7. In the top point put the rune or symbol
8. In the bottom right point put the psychopomp blood, King's Sleep. in the heart
9. In the bottom left point put the stardust, essence, and unicorn in the skull
10. Stab yourself in the heart
11. Lay in the triangle wth the bloodstone on your heart and the hand on that
12. In Infernal speak the words of the first nightshade.
What happens next is that the hand will take the soul and put it in the heart mixture. Then the and will put it in the skull mixture. Then the Hand holds the skull and goes into the bloodstone. Then the symbol or rune will grant the Phylactery its powers. The Circle, Square, and Triangle burn with black negative energy Flames that raise the dead villagers on your behalf.
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Just my opinion but unless this whole process becomes the center of your campaign, this is a lot of details for something that will be applicable to only one PC... also make sure your player is now fully aware of not only his new powers (lich template) but also dozens of cleric spells that are now very deadly to him (as he is now undead).
And he now dies at 0 hp. Make sure he knows that. No more buffer to negative Con to let someone cast a healing spell on him.
Also:
Rejuvenation (Su)
When a lich is destroyed, its phylactery (which is generally hidden by the lich in a safe place far from where it chooses to dwell) immediately begins to rebuild the undead spellcaster's body nearby. This process takes 1d10 days—if the body is destroyed before that time passes, the phylactery merely starts the process anew. After this time passes, the lich wakens fully healed (albeit without any gear it left behind on its old body), usually with a burning need for revenge against those who previously destroyed it.
...hmmm, loss of gear is *pretty* nasty for PCs... .... ...... ;)
Just my opinion but unless this whole process becomes the center of your campaign, this is a lot of details for something that will be applicable to only one PC... also make sure your player is now fully aware of not only his new powers (lich template) but also dozens of cleric spells that are now very deadly to him (as he is now undead).
And he now dies at 0 hp. Make sure he knows that. No more buffer to negative Con to let someone cast a healing spell on him.
Also:
Rejuvenation (Su)
When a lich is destroyed, its phylactery (which is generally hidden by the lich in a safe place far from where it chooses to dwell) immediately begins to rebuild the undead spellcaster's body nearby. This process takes 1d10 days—if the body is destroyed before that time passes, the phylactery merely starts the process anew. After this time passes, the lich wakens fully healed (albeit without any gear it left behind on its old body), usually with a burning need for revenge against those who previously destroyed it.
...hmmm, loss of gear is *pretty* nasty for PCs... .... ...... ;)
The PC has a cult that whenever he comes back they make a new set of armor for him. He is also a cleric of darkness and death. He is also planning to make it a doorway to his own dimension. In this dimension it is basically a copy of the multiverse except he the water is dark red and it is alway twilight. Whoever he kills goes straight into his dimension.
In this dimension it is basically a copy of the multiverse except he the water is dark red and it is alway twilight. Whoever he kills goes straight into his dimension.Is his patron the god of suburban goth middle school kids?
No he is just trying to gain power. I made it so he gets the abilities that the soul once had. Instead of leveling up. This is like epic levels as he is trying to become a god. His master plane is to go back in time and drain all of the power from the starstone and have enough power to control rovagug. This is a 1n1 campaign