Books and Day Jobs?


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Is the bonus to perform from the Tome of Epics usable on day job checks? I know that an effect should be permanent to contribute toward day job checks, but Tome of Epics can be studied an unlimited number of times and has a duration of 24 hours - the same as a CL1 Crafter's Fortune, which is usable.

PRD wrote:

Tome of Epics

This hefty book is bound in oilskin and decorated with scenes of glorious combat between ancient heroes and ferocious monsters. It contains several tales of valor, defeat, and victory, all with brightly colored illustrations. After consulting the book for 1 hour, for the next 24 hours you gain a +2 circumstance bonus on Perform (oratory) and Perform (sing) checks and a +2 circumstance bonus on Knowledge (nobility) checks pertaining to heroic lineages.

Grand Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento

does it last 24 hours? Yes
is it renewable every 24 hours for "free"? yes
is it conditional? no

It counts.

4/5 ****

Nope.

"temporary bonuses such as those granted by spell effects, other than crafter’s fortune, do not contribute"

It is a temporary effect and not crafter's fortune therefore it does not apply.

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Robert Hetherington wrote:

Nope.

"temporary bonuses such as those granted by spell effects, other than crafter’s fortune, do not contribute"

It is a temporary effect and not crafter's fortune therefore it does not apply.

Agreed.

While the way it works seems to be something that could work with the current day job system, the way the rule is currently worded, as Rob above pointed out, it does not work.

Grand Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento

Robert Hetherington wrote:

Nope.

"temporary bonuses such as those granted by spell effects, other than crafter’s fortune, do not contribute"

It is a temporary effect and not crafter's fortune therefore it does not apply.

I would argue it is not temporary, since you can have it up continuously for an indefinite amount of time. Isn't that why crafters fortune was okayed?

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FLite wrote:
Robert Hetherington wrote:

Nope.

"temporary bonuses such as those granted by spell effects, other than crafter’s fortune, do not contribute"

It is a temporary effect and not crafter's fortune therefore it does not apply.

I would argue it is not temporary, since you can have it up continuously for an indefinite amount of time. Isn't that why crafters fortune was okayed?

I don't really see any viable argument here.

Does it have a duration?

If so it is a temporary bonus and does not apply (as always crafter's fortune excepted)

Also the Tome of Epics only gives bonuses regarding a specific subset of checks "checks pertaining to heroic lineages." (although unclear if this is nobility only)

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Might I suggest a masterwork skill item instead...

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