Nefreet |
The only races that can choose Favored Class Bonuses of other races are Half-elves and Half-orcs, which can choose from each of their respective parentages. Not even the Racial Heritage feat for Humans allows for Favored Class Bonuses.
On top of that, there is a "race restriction" clause on the Additional Resources document for PFS that limits most racial options from the Advanced Race Guide to members of that race. It's a PFS-specific restriction to limit some really unbalancing options.
Fuzzy-Wuzzy |
The only races that can choose Favored Class Bonuses of other races are Half-elves and Half-orcs, which can choose from each of their respective parentages. Not even the Racial Heritage feat for Humans allows for Favored Class Bonuses.Why wouldn't it allow for FCBs?
The blood of a non-human ancestor flows in your veins.
Prerequisite: Human.
Benefit: Choose another humanoid race. You count as both human and that race for any effects related to race. For example, if you choose dwarf, you are considered both a human and a dwarf for the purpose of taking traits, feats, how spells and magic items affect you, and so on.
"Traits, feats, and so on" sure looks to me like it includes FCBs.
graystone |
This is a rather frequently asked question, actually. Favored Class Bonuses are not considered an "effect related to race". The last time this question was asked someone provided a quote by one of the Developers (Jason Bulmahn?) clarifying this particular combination.
I don't see how elf/orc blood is functionally different that Racial Heritage.
"You count as both human and that race for any effects related to race. For example, if you choose dwarf, you are considered both a human and a dwarf for the purpose of taking traits, feats, how spells and magic items affect you, and so on."
VS
"Half-elves and half-orcs may select racial favored class options, archetypes, traits, and so on, as if they were a full member of both races (a half-elf can select elf and human rules elements, a half-orc can select human and orc rules elements)."
"any effects related to race"/"taking traits, feats, how spells and magic items affect you, and so on" vs "may select racial favored class options, archetypes, traits, and so on".
How are the so on's different? As to Jason Bulmahn's post it's just that. it's not a rules quote, FAQ or errata. I don't even know if the post is before or after the FAQ on elf/orc blood since their where multiple views at the time and they even had contradictory FAQ. I'm willing to take the current reading/thought from the current FAQ over an unquoted post.
Nefreet |
It is a much older quote, from 2010, long before the newer FAQ on Half-elves and Half-orcs.
But just because Developer comments no longer "count" doesn't mean what he said is untrue. I see nothing to categorize Favored Class Bonuses as "effects". They're character building options.
The FAQ we have now is specific to Half-elves and Half-orcs, as well.
Fuzzy-Wuzzy |
But just because Developer comments no longer "count" doesn't mean what he said is untrue. I see nothing to categorize Favored Class Bonuses as "effects". They're character building options.
How are FCBs less "effects" than feats? Those are also character building options.
The term "effects" was clearly poorly chosen, but it can at least be applied consistently.
Andrew L Klein |
Nefreet wrote:This is a rather frequently asked question, actually. Favored Class Bonuses are not considered an "effect related to race". The last time this question was asked someone provided a quote by one of the Developers (Jason Bulmahn?) clarifying this particular combination.I don't see how elf/orc blood is functionally different that Racial Heritage.
"You count as both human and that race for any effects related to race. For example, if you choose dwarf, you are considered both a human and a dwarf for the purpose of taking traits, feats, how spells and magic items affect you, and so on."
VS
"Half-elves and half-orcs may select racial favored class options, archetypes, traits, and so on, as if they were a full member of both races (a half-elf can select elf and human rules elements, a half-orc can select human and orc rules elements)."
"any effects related to race"/"taking traits, feats, how spells and magic items affect you, and so on" vs "may select racial favored class options, archetypes, traits, and so on".
How are the so on's different? As to Jason Bulmahn's post it's just that. it's not a rules quote, FAQ or errata. I don't even know if the post is before or after the FAQ on elf/orc blood since their where multiple views at the time and they even had contradictory FAQ. I'm willing to take the current reading/thought from the current FAQ over an unquoted post.
The "so on" pieces aren't what you compare. For Half-X races, FCB isn't covered by "so on", it's covered by being explicitly called out. "So on" doesn't instantly mean anything and everything that ever cares about race.
graystone |
It is a much older quote, from 2010, long before the newer FAQ on Half-elves and Half-orcs.
But just because Developer comments no longer "count" doesn't mean what he said is untrue. I see nothing to categorize Favored Class Bonuses as "effects". They're character building options.
The FAQ we have now is specific to Half-elves and Half-orcs, as well.
It's specific to Half-elves and Half-orcs but is clearly shows what the PDT means when they say 'effects' and 'so on'.
racial favored class options, archetypes, traits, and so on VS
taking traits, feats, how spells and magic items affect you, and so on
So is your stance that elf/orc blood doesn't allow class options because it doesn't state it just like the other doesn't say FCB?
As to the validity of Jason's post it's on old pre FAQ post from the person that made such posts unofficial.
Andrew L Klein: You may have missed - "You count as both human and that race for any effects related to race": I don't see how FCB isn't related to race and is clearly covered as an racial effect/rules elements.
Cavall |
Andrew L Klein wrote:"So on" doesn't instantly mean anything and everything that ever cares about race."for any effects related to race"
Last I checked, "any" does mean "anything".
I agree. You can be a "dwarf" for how spells affect you but can't take the optional FCB?
That makes no sense even slightly. If you're raised by dwarves they teach you their way of fighting. You learn that style.
Any is any.