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GM made a full party of godmode DMPCs, 500 year old immortals, one was an angel, one was a demigod. They were actively on the same quest as our party. Their cleric, the 700 year old angel, who looked like the Witcher and was wielding two swords, was in all other respects my cleric, same god, same skill set, with an additional 20 something levels in another class. Towards the end of the campaign GM tells me people view him as the hero and us as his lackeys... which at that point was exactly what we were :)

Edit: Demigod was a Kitsune. There were only three kitsune in the world, he was one of them, 3000 old, the Keeper of Time... blah blah blah


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Yeah fighting dragons and shooting lightning from my fingers is so passé, I wanna know what its like to sleep in a barn and churn my own butter... :)

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Dire Elf wrote:

Apparently I'm a complainer.

I can't help feeling frustrated by RPGs with pseudo-medieval fantasy settings that let too many modern anachronisms sneak in. I was reminded of this the other day when during a Pathfinder AP, our party were searching a ghost town that had been abandoned for centuries, and found a shop named 'Shiny Baubles'. I think that was actually in the AP, not an invention by the GM.

Naming places of business like that is something that probably didn't happen in the Middle Ages. In the 15th century when you went to a shop, it was likely named for the person or family who owned it, or for the goods or services that it provided. You didn't go to Shiny Things to get your jewelry appraised, or A Stitch In Time for your clothing; you went to the guild of goldsmiths or silversmiths for jewelry, and you might go to a shop simply called 'Tailor Shop' for your clothes. If there were 20 tailor shops in the city, then you went to the tailor shop on Needle Street or the tailor shop next door to Tanner's Alley.

The prevalence of inns and the treatment of them as if they were modern hotel/restaurant chains also bothers me. In a medieval society you wouldn't have inns in every town. When you got to a small town or village you might have to sleep in a barn or field, or if you were lucky a local might put you up for the night but you'd probably have to share a bed. Those few inns in large cities would only have one or two private rooms if any. The rest of the guests would sleep on the floor or simple cots in a dormitory-type room. And you would go to an eating house to get food, and a bathhouse to bathe.

I realize that making it more like modern things is simple because these things are familiar to us. Most of us can imagine sleeping in a hotel and eating in a full-service restaurant, but we may not know what it's like to sleep on a dirt floor in an unheated room with 20 other people and some farm animals, or in a pile of hay in a barn, or in a shared bed with an entire family in a one-room house....

This reminds me of my grievance. Golarion is neither a medieval setting nor is it the Middle Ages.

While your post spurred me to post, DE, it was not directed solely at your comment, I see and hear the same comment many, many, times and that is why it's my grievance.


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Me and my boyfriend make a really good RP team and I love playing with him as we have very similar ways of understanding RPGs, but...
We are the only constant GMs in our group, so we are stuck being the GMs and we can never play together!
I need someone else to run something that lasts more than a session or two!


Kileanna wrote:

Me and my boyfriend make a really good RP team and I love playing with him as we have very similar ways of understanding RPGs, but...

We are the only constant GMs in our group, so we are stuck being the GMs and we can never play together!
I need someone else to run something that lasts more than a session or two!

I think they have a pill for that...um, no wait, never mind


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Terquem wrote:
Kileanna wrote:

Me and my boyfriend make a really good RP team and I love playing with him as we have very similar ways of understanding RPGs, but...

We are the only constant GMs in our group, so we are stuck being the GMs and we can never play together!
I need someone else to run something that lasts more than a session or two!
I think they have a pill for that...um, no wait, never mind

Actually, I'd rather not have a GM for that kind of playing, you know. I think we can handle that RP on our own *wink wink*

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Rysky wrote:

This reminds me of my grievance. Golarion is neither a medieval setting nor is it the Middle Ages.

While your post spurred me to post, DE, it was not directed solely at your comment, I see and hear the same comment many, many, times and that is why it's my grievance.

True, Golarion does seem a bit more like the 17th century, but it's got such a weird mix of things it's hard to associate it with any real-world historical era.

I still think patterning things too much after present-day real-world business is annoying, though.

Grand Lodge

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Rysky wrote:
Golarion is neither a medieval setting nor is it the Middle Ages.

This is true for the majority of published settings, going all the way back to the older TSR settings.

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Dire Elf wrote:

it's hard to associate it with any real-world historical era.

I still think patterning things too much after present-day real-world business is annoying, though.

Which is why you should do neither! ^w^

Silver Crusade

Digitalelf wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Golarion is neither a medieval setting nor is it the Middle Ages.
This is true for the majority of published settings, going all the way back to the older TSR settings.

*nods*

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Digitalelf wrote:


This is true for the majority of published settings, going all the way back to the older TSR settings.

Seconded. I never quite understand and probably never will on how some can say that D&D and it's background are medieval. Yes many backgrounds have fantasy elements. Last time I checked the middle ages never had Beholders or Mind Flayers. The closest rpg I have ever seen is Ars Magica.


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Of course there was Chivalry and Sorcery, a difficult set of rules to read, but fun in its own way. Stated from the beginning to be set in a medieval setting with some elements of magic along the lines of people like merlin and Morgana

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memorax wrote:
Digitalelf wrote:


This is true for the majority of published settings, going all the way back to the older TSR settings.
Seconded. I never quite understand and probably never will on how some can say that D&D and it's background are medieval. Yes many backgrounds have fantasy elements. Last time I checked the middle ages never had Beholders or Mind Flayers. The closest rpg I have ever seen is Ars Magica.

I suppose it's the artwork that has always made me equate fantasy settings with the medieval period, and the technology. Although you wouldn't have found people in the Middle Ages still using Roman-style lamellar armor or javelins.


Terquem wrote:

Of course there was Chivalry and Sorcery, a difficult set of rules to read, but fun in its own way. Stated from the beginning to be set in a medieval setting with some elements of magic along the lines of people like merlin and Morgana

I actually played that......


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DrDeth wrote:
Terquem wrote:

Of course there was Chivalry and Sorcery, a difficult set of rules to read, but fun in its own way. Stated from the beginning to be set in a medieval setting with some elements of magic along the lines of people like merlin and Morgana

I actually played that......

So did I, still have the rules...man, we are old


Well, one of my RL groups consisted of my brother (the GM) and two married couples (myself and my husband being one) playing through Rise of the Runelords. We made it to Book 5 and uh, after the other couple not being able to play for months and months it turns out they got divorced.

So yeah, multitudes of suck for everyone involved.

(And to be clear I'm first and foremost sad about the divorce, even if it might've been for the best; I don't know as it's not my business. But yes, a little sad that we got so close and may never see the end of Runelords as well.)


I've been asked by a friend to join his PFS games starting in January. I have apprehensions about this as he's not a great GM, is not a good reader and can't pronounce the names of places, people, and monsters which makes things very confusing for players, and he expects the players to learn every bit of errata before the game starts. And I don't like RAW, especially when they keep changing them through errata updates.

I guess my grievance is he won't play in my game because it's levels 12-15 and he "can't get into character unless he starts one at first level" but he expects all of us to join his game. So far I'm the only one who's agreed to give it a try, though I have my doubts about it. He has a couple of other players lined up, so if maybe he can get one more player it'll be ok. I dunno.

Grievance over.


We were supposed to play Iron Gods tonight, but our youngest wasn't feeling well after school, so no dice. :-(

But he took a nap (We suspect he was just exhausted from the sudden influx of cold weather and getting up early and then spending all day at school) and appears to be feeling better.

Sadly, I work until midnight the next three days. :-\


I have a grievance. I don't know where all these rules errata are.
How can I post about anything when I don't know the current rules set?


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That's never stopped me. :-)


I'm GMing the start of Strange Aeons on Friday. My grievance is it isn't Friday yet.


'Sani wrote:
I'm GMing the start of Strange Aeons on Friday. My grievance is it isn't Friday yet.

I'm GMing Way of the Wicked on Saturday. I totally understand you.

Also I'm at a RoW game that is in a pause because the GM has personal duties... I cannot wait to continue!

Grand Lodge

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Hell's Rebels kicks off tomorrow night. Can't come soon enough.

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Apparently my company's IT department can't get their shit together enough to even follow simple instructions, and so I've spent about three hours in an already busy day helping to clean up their mess. And I'll be devoting more time to it tomorrow as well. Because it's not like I had my own work to do, right?

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Jiggy wrote:
Apparently my company's IT department can't get their s*## together enough to even follow simple instructions, and so I've spent about three hours in an already busy day helping to clean up their mess. And I'll be devoting more time to it tomorrow as well. Because it's not like I had my own work to do, right?

On Thursday, this ended with me handing off a list of issues that needed to be fixed in their file generation process. Half an hour ago, they gave me a new file to test, and scheduled a meeting for 8:30am tomorrow to verify whether everything's in order now.

I tested the file, and literally nothing has changed. Every single issue I listed on Thursday (and remember, each of those issues was itself an instance of not following the original instructions) is still present. So I guess tomorrow's meeting is to see if their lack of changes somehow magically fixed some problems...?

#tableflip

Silver Crusade

Sounds like the day I'm having at work.

I had a coworker leave our company last week. Friday was his last day, and he turned over some projects to me before he left, and showed me the most important stuff related to them, but I obviously don't know all the ins and outs of that stuff yet.

I arrived at work at 8:45 this morning and was immediately ambushed with a major problem for our biggest client, which is one of the projects that I just inherited. But it's mine now, so I was going to log on to our server and work on this, though I'm sure it'll take a lot longer than it would have for my former coworker who already knows all the technical details.

Just one problem: The machine I need to work on isn't responding. We've gone back and forth with IT for the past 6 hours trying to get it working. It's a virtual machine, and they keep insisting that when they log on to the virtual server and look at it, all the VMs are running. They don't seem to get that this doesn't help when nobody else in the company can access ANY of the virtual machines on that server.

It's gotta be some sort of network issue, but that's not my area, so I don't know how to trouble shoot it. And it's taken most of the day just to convince IT that there's actually a problem, and that it's urgent, since nobody on our end of the building can work on any of our projects without those machines.

And now it's almost 4 pm, and I haven't been able to even start on the urgent problem I was supposed to resolve this morning. If they do get the virtual machines working, it wouldn't surprise me if I was asked to stay late to first start working on my stuff, which could take hours to work on. And I have a migraine, which is pretty rare for me, but it's likely to make it impossible to figure out the problem I'm supposed to work on. So I've pretty much decided I'm leaving work at my normal time, regardless of when they get the machine up and running, since staying late won't really help.


Man, that stinks on ice. Sorry for the bad day!


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Maybe the network distributer has it's own password?
The device that gives me ethernet at home has it's own password.
That's a grievance for me.

Another is how people want to throw out the vancian casting system, rather than adding a non-vancian class and letting players choose.

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Holy balls, Fromper. That's terrible.

As for my situation, this morning's meeting revealed that the programmer who wrote the code to produce my file was working off of a set of written instructions he was given from I-don't-know-who, and those written instructions were just nonsensically wrong. So now the poor guy (who, it seems, may have actually correctly implemented what he was originally told to implement) has to write even more code from scratch, because the writing of instructions was left to someone who wasn't even involved? I guess?


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I have a player who starts whining the second things turn against them in the game. Got dealt 11 damage? "Holy shit, this monster is OP." Plus, they're playing a walking, talking paladin thread—they are constantly sniping at other players, usually when they aren't around, about their PCs not acting good enough. Like, come on, we just want to play, do we have to play "your roleplaying is inferior" every time the druid wants to execute some unconscious enemies?

Today, I had the party face one of those "we can't beat this monster playing fair" encounters, and you better believe the player was complaining about the monster being "OP" the whole while. They were also incredibly annoyed when the ray of frost they fired didn't send the CR 12 clockwork leviathan reeling.


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Holy shit! Ray of Frost!! Goddamn it man, have a little mercy! Who's going to take care of all it's clockwork babies!


Kobold Cleaver wrote:

I have a player who starts whining the second things turn against them in the game. Got dealt 11 damage? "Holy s%+$, this monster is OP." Plus, they're playing a walking, talking paladin thread—they are constantly sniping at other players, usually when they aren't around, about their PCs not acting good enough. Like, come on, we just want to play, do we have to play "your roleplaying is inferior" every time the druid wants to execute some unconscious enemies?

Today, I had the party face one of those "we can't beat this monster playing fair" encounters, and you better believe the player was complaining about the monster being "OP" the whole while. They were also incredibly annoyed when the ray of frost they fired didn't send the CR 12 clockwork leviathan reeling.

...wow. Sorry you have to put up with that nonsense. :(


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captain yesterday wrote:
Holy s$&+! Ray of Frost!! G#$%@#n it man, have a little mercy! Who's going to take care of all it's clockwork babies!

Admittedly, they did do max damage with it...


It's too bad he didn't have his crossbow loaded! Then he could do some real damage!


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Did they give the clockwork babies to the Paladin orphanage.

Naturally, now I want to build some Soulbound Dolls based on the Muppet Babies...

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What in the hell is that man doing playing a caster? Give him a fighter so he can go bang his head against the wall in character as well as out.


She's a sorcerer/barbarian, actually. A slightly subpar multiclass, perhaps.

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Horrible, if they are focused on spells and not going dragon disciple.


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...Ye Olde Workplace has gone posterior genius once more...

Maintenance that has been deferred for six months (or longer) has suddenly become *crucialmustfixovernight* before the Corpo comes into town.

...where was this concern when we were begging for payroll for... wait for it...

...basic maintenance...?

Scarab Sages

We're having a snow day today, and most of the staff are out of the office. It turns out our IT department didn't prepare well for this, because there aren't enough ports available for remote access to accommodate all the people trying to use them.

I spent four hours trying to get connected to the VPN. When I finally did get connected, ten minutes later I got an email announcement telling anyone not involved in direct service to external customers to log off the network, because all the traffic was preventing customers from accessing our contact center. I do tech support for internal customers of a non-customer-facing application, so my manager told me to log off.

So I spent four hours doing nothing but periodically clicking the 'connect' button, and then after telling my team I was finally connected and reading a few emails I had to log off. :/


But snow day!


This summer I became a Certified Electrical Safety Compliance Professional, through the National Fire Protection Association.

This week I learned that the company I work was not interested in me taking this upon myself, and my manager saw it as some sort of move by me to get a promotion ahead of him

I made the worse mistake of my career perhaps when I achieved something I never thought I would be able to achieve

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I've read Adventure Paths I'd rather have played in, but now I've had people offer me places in their games as a player. So I won't get the pure experience of playing it fresh and I'm going to have to seriously clamp down on backseat GMing.

I mean Iron Gods AND Hell's Rebels, two of the BEST APs ever and I'm going in completely spoiled about the major plot arcs.

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DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:

I've read Adventure Paths I'd rather have played in, but now I've had people offer me places in their games as a player. So I won't get the pure experience of playing it fresh and I'm going to have to seriously clamp down on backseat GMing.

I mean Iron Gods AND Hell's Rebels, two of the BEST APs ever and I'm going in completely spoiled about the major plot arcs.

But I'm so happy I get to PLAY these dream APs.

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Going to start snowing at noon today and not stop for 24 hours......bleh


Sometimes it bugs me that PF and other RPGs are treated as exercises in mathematics, rather than just outlets to have fun. DPR, action economy, etc... I just skip threads about those. In fact, I don't even know what what action economy is and I don't want to know.

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Going to start snowing at noon today and not stop for 24 hours......bleh

So snowmagedon turned out to be no biggie just 4-6 inches. Tired of the weather folks making every storm sound like the end is here.

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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
Sometimes it bugs me that PF and other RPGs are treated as exercises in mathematics, rather than just outlets to have fun. DPR, action economy, etc... I just skip threads about those. In fact, I don't even know what what action economy is and I don't want to know.

With respect, DungeonmasterCal, that's like saying that musicians are treating music wrong by getting hung up on chords and melodies and harmonies instead of just using music as an outlet to have fun or express themselves. "I don't even know what notes are and I don't want to know."

I mean, it's totally great if you're able to have fun by mashing randomly on the piano keys or flailing your sticks against the drums or whatever. That's totally cool. But there's a meaningful difference between what's produced in those untrained pseudo jam-sessions and what's produced by someone who put in a lot of work to understand how music actually works. To minimize that difference, and especially to reverse it by suggesting that the more proficient musician must have lost sight of the whole point of music; is extremely rude and belittling.

Now, again, do whatever's fun for you. There's nothing wrong with doing the RPG equivalent of randomly tickling the strings of a guitar. If that puts a smile on your face, then go for it. Just please don't suggest that doing so is somehow superior or more in line with the true purpose of music gaming than when those of us who have learned the inner workings of the medium want to "talk shop" about the structures and mechanics and practical theories that go into it.

Thanks.

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I have a grievance.

Playing in a homebrew PBP, world involves various traditionally "monster" races being persecuted and, indeed, genocided by the ascendant humans--naturally, we play as the so-called monsters and must plan our escape & eventual resistance. Everything's great, even had Paizo's favorite kobold drop into tell us that our PBP was his new favorite to read! In hindsight, I should have been more suspicious. Almost immediately after the kobold exits, our GM has some IRL issues and the game gets put on hold indefinitely. At least, that's the official story.

I want my GM back, KC :p


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Jiggy wrote:
DungeonmasterCal wrote:
Sometimes it bugs me that PF and other RPGs are treated as exercises in mathematics, rather than just outlets to have fun. DPR, action economy, etc... I just skip threads about those. In fact, I don't even know what what action economy is and I don't want to know.

With respect, DungeonmasterCal, that's like saying that musicians are treating music wrong by getting hung up on chords and melodies and harmonies instead of just using music as an outlet to have fun or express themselves. "I don't even know what notes are and I don't want to know."

I mean, it's totally great if you're able to have fun by mashing randomly on the piano keys or flailing your sticks against the drums or whatever. That's totally cool. But there's a meaningful difference between what's produced in those untrained pseudo jam-sessions and what's produced by someone who put in a lot of work to understand how music actually works. To minimize that difference, and especially to reverse it by suggesting that the more proficient musician must have lost sight of the whole point of music; is extremely rude and belittling.

Now, again, do whatever's fun for you. There's nothing wrong with doing the RPG equivalent of randomly tickling the strings of a guitar. If that puts a smile on your face, then go for it. Just please don't suggest that doing so is somehow superior or more in line with the true purpose of music gaming than when those of us who have learned the inner workings of the medium want to "talk shop" about the structures and mechanics and practical theories that go into it.

Thanks.

I don't think I suggested my way was superior. It if came across as such I apologize. There really isn't a right or wrong way to have fun, it's just that the way we do it works best for us and has for 30 years. Applying theory crafting to it and a slide rule... lol... just takes the fun away for me.

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