what class would you chose for a kobold?


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i was wonder what class or classes would make a kobold useable. i think that my character wont last long so i though i would make a non-serous character next time around. since it seems that everyone else is not taking it serous. so here i am to pick your brains.


A gunslinger, a bard, or a caster. They work decent (not great) for rogues once you get Dex to damage.

Kobolds make pretty good bards, though, thanks to the Jester alternate trait.


kobold cleaver
do you think an alchemist would be usable?


Yeah, alchemist would work, too.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:

A gunslinger, a bard, or a caster. They work decent (not great) for rogues once you get Dex to damage.

Kobolds make pretty good bards, though, thanks to the Jester alternate trait.

I knew you would have a quick answer for this.

Do you just stalk the forums for kobold threads? :P


There's a new racial trait that also boosts their Draconic bloodlines.

The best thing about Kobolds is the Kobold Confidence feat though. Can grant a massive FORT boost to a Sorcerer or Wizard.


Since it only has two important stats, you could actually pull off a fairly good kineticist. Sure, penalty in con, but bonus in dex. And since you can dump the hell out of other stats, you can get to acceptible levels.


If memory serves, kobolds make funny oracle dragon disciples... aince they are the ONLY oracle dragon disciples lol


Ninja
Paladin (small size and str penalties get mitigated a lot by Smite)
Fighter (Swarm Fighter archetype)
Trapper Ranger

All of that is good. Range, sneaky, and casty they do very well.


Unchained rogue two weapon fighter - go with the Dragonmaw alternate racial trait and the Tail Terror feat and you're going to get a ton of attacks per round. Each one isn't going to do a lot of damage but when you stack on sneak attack damage then it's going to start to really add up.


In honor of the greatest Kobold of all time the only right and proper class for a Kobold would be a Psion. If you're not into 3pp, I guess you could try the psychic.


Hark wrote:
In honor of the greatest Kobold of all time the only right and proper class for a Kobold would be a Psion. If you're not into 3pp, I guess you could try the psychic.

...that kobold's name wouldn't be Billy, would it?


OmNomNid wrote:


...that kobold's name wouldn't be Billy, would it?

Not even close. Goes back to the Great Ones of 3e. Everyone should be terrified of Kobold Psions.


Maybe he means Pun-Pun.

Either way, I've always liked the idea of a kobold barbarian, and actually this can work. It's not going to be great, but it can work decently, mechanically speaking. That bonus to attack and damage will offset the huge Strength penalty, and the improved Dexterity, natural armor, and Size bonuses will offset the raging-lowers-AC problem. Using the Unchained barbarian means he doesn't drop when he gets out of rage, too.

The main appeal for me is seeing the party run screaming as the kobold cuts the half-orc's leg in half with a good battleaxe chop, screaming Draconic obscenities at his foes all the while.

Or her. Xena: Warrior Princess: Kobold Edition XD

EDIT: Another option, if your GM is willing to greenlight the Talented Barbarian, is that one of their rage-based abilities they can choose allows them to put a +4 to an ability score in ANY physical score once the rage starts - say, in Dexterity. Cold Fury could make that kobold damn near impossible to hit without having a level over him!


Hehe.

Natural attack focused Barbarian/Sorcerer into Dragon Disciple.

Mini-dragon.

Probably not super min-maxed effective, but cool nonetheless.


Pun-Pun wasn't a psion, though. I'm sure he's lost me.


Saldiven wrote:

Hehe.

Natural attack focused Barbarian/Sorcerer into Dragon Disciple.

Mini-dragon.

Probably not super min-maxed effective, but cool nonetheless.

Not optimal, but very very playable.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Pun-Pun wasn't a psion, though. I'm sure he's lost me.

His original version was. Later on new methods were found that changed the class, lowered the level, and removed the Kobold requirement.


I'm familiar with the 3.5 version, which did require you be a kobold. That's arguably the more well-known one.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:
I'm familiar with the 3.5 version, which did require you be a kobold. That's arguably the more well-known one.

I'm not going to have a huge tangent about it, but here is a slightly more complete history at 1d4chan

As I recall they reliably got the Psion levels required down to 8 before delving into more exotic builds like the one you posted. Depending on how certain rules were interpreted the Pun Pun build could be achieve by any Race/Class combination assuming you could succeed at a high enough Knowledge Check. This would let you know that the Demon Prince Pazuzu could be summoned by repeating his name three times and he would reward you with a Wish that could be used to set off a complex chain of events that allowed you to achieve the Pun Pun power in under 10 rounds.

But as I said before the Original Pun Pun was a Psion.


alexd1976 wrote:
Saldiven wrote:

Hehe.

Natural attack focused Barbarian/Sorcerer into Dragon Disciple.

Mini-dragon.

Probably not super min-maxed effective, but cool nonetheless.

Not optimal, but very very playable.

Why not oracle?

Oracle meshes beyyer due to larger BAB and HD and a Battle Oracle Barbarian Dragon Disciple would be funny.


Pathfinder LO Special Edition Subscriber

My favourite I played before was actually a monk in 3.5 that went the whole Master of Draconic Mysteries prestige class. These days I'd probably go oracle or sorcerer though.


Kindergarten at a tough reform school .


Pixie, the Leng Queen wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:
Saldiven wrote:

Hehe.

Natural attack focused Barbarian/Sorcerer into Dragon Disciple.

Mini-dragon.

Probably not super min-maxed effective, but cool nonetheless.

Not optimal, but very very playable.

Why not oracle?

Oracle meshes beyyer due to larger BAB and HD and a Battle Oracle Barbarian Dragon Disciple would be funny.

Oracle uses divine spells, not Arcane, which is a requirement for Dragon Disciple, so cannot be used as the spell casting class qualification for Dragon Disciple (unless there's some weird option out there that lets them count as Arcane casters).

Oracle would be strictly worse than something like Barbarian or Paladin for martial levels for DD for several reasons. Firstly, Oracle is 3/4 BAB instead of full BAB. Also, the Oracle curse would not advance at all until sometime after character level 15, the same for all the other Oracle abilities. So, there would be little to no benefit from 2-3 levels of Oracle, as compared to Barbarian (Rage, Fast Movement, and a Rage Power) or Paladin (Smite, Cha to Saves, Lay on Hands, and a Mercy).


Pathfinder LO Special Edition Subscriber

There is such a feat...


Kobolds are the only race that can be Oracle Dragon Disciples, because reasons...


Rogue/Assassin.


Aleron wrote:
There is such a feat...

Interesting.

But, unless there has been some clarification, it's still a bad idea to go with Oracle into DD.

The Dragon Disciple rules state that the Draconic bloodline powers for existing Sorcerer levels advance as you advance in the DD prestige class. Scaled Disciple states that your spontaneous divine spell casting advances as Dragon Disciple levels advance, but there is nothing that indicates any of the other Oracle abilities advance as DD goes up. You get Draconic Bloodline powers, but at a delayed pace relative to a character who had previous Draconic Sorcerer levels.

The Oracle would be stuck with the level 2-3 Oracle curse effect and a couple of the low level Revelations that haven't advanced. He'd have roughly 1 BAB higher than a Sorcerer/Martial mix, and a slower advancement of the Draconic bloodline abilities.

If Scaled Disciple allowed the Oracle Mystery to advance the same way that it allowed the Sorcerer Bloodline to advance, it would probably be an awesome option. Advancing simultaneously in both a Mystery and the Draconic Bloodline from DD would open up a lot of interesting stuff.


Saldiven wrote:
Aleron wrote:
There is such a feat...

Interesting.

But, unless there has been some clarification, it's still a bad idea to go with Oracle into DD.

The Dragon Disciple rules state that the Draconic bloodline powers for existing Sorcerer levels advance as you advance in the DD prestige class. Scaled Disciple states that your spontaneous divine spell casting advances as Dragon Disciple levels advance, but there is nothing that indicates any of the other Oracle abilities advance as DD goes up. You get Draconic Bloodline powers, but at a delayed pace relative to a character who had previous Draconic Sorcerer levels.

The Oracle would be stuck with the level 2-3 Oracle curse effect and a couple of the low level Revelations that haven't advanced. He'd have roughly 1 BAB higher than a Sorcerer/Martial mix, and a slower advancement of the Draconic bloodline abilities.

If Scaled Disciple allowed the Oracle Mystery to advance the same way that it allowed the Sorcerer Bloodline to advance, it would probably be an awesome option. Advancing simultaneously in both a Mystery and the Draconic Bloodline from DD would open up a lot of interesting stuff.

Your curse still advances. If you read.curses they still advance just slpwer. Which is why single level dips for barbs are awesome


what is a oracle dragon disciple and what makes it funny?


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OmNomNid wrote:
Hark wrote:
In honor of the greatest Kobold of all time the only right and proper class for a Kobold would be a Psion. If you're not into 3pp, I guess you could try the psychic.
...that kobold's name wouldn't be Billy, would it?

The greatest kobold's name is Tucker.

Scarab Sages

For various reasons: Gunslinger, Summoner, Slayer, Alchemist, Skald, or Kineticist.


Kobold fighter has basically a light version of sneak attack as FCB. Combine that with bite attack, tail attack and two short swords and over the course of levels (and feats), you will teach your opponents the horror of the 1d4.

Speaking of horror: The Frightener alternative racial trait sounds like fun too. Let those big people run in fear!

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

OK... I was going to go Sorcerer - Dragon Disciple, but after seeing that feat, I think the Oracle - Dragon Disciple is just to good. I will worship Aspu.


Oh TECHNICALLY the feat also works for i.inquisitors.... just a thing to note...


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I vote advanced player guide summoner. Then again, I'm biased.


Depending on what you GM will allow you to take...

1: Draconic Aspect
2: Draconic Breath
3: Noxious Bite

Just pick up the alternate racial trait that gives you a bite attack and you're set. That combo is nasty! A definite must for any melee kobolds. Druid might not be a bad choice for that, but going for fighter or barbarian to maximise your chances of getting that bite to hit isn't a bad idea either.

Dark Archive

Really anything that isn't direct melee. You are small size and have a -4 strength penalty. You could do a swashbuckler or something else that doesn't focus on strength.


Inquisitor Scaled Disciple is much better than Oracle Scaled Disciple.

Also, Hunters qualify for Scaled Disciple, they are spontaneous divine casters.

A Divine Hunter/Scaled Disciple could be pretty awesome, and a Feral Hunter/Scaled Disciple with the claw/claw/bite/tail routine would be just cool.

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