Wanting to make sure I'm understanding this right. Assuming a level 6 unchained monk with 14 strength and a +1 sansetsukon (2h monk weapon):
Their "normal" full attack progression would be:
+9 / +4 for (1d10 + 4) per hit
Turning it into a flurry makes it into:
+9 / +4 / +9 for (1d10+4) per hit.
Spending a ki point to tack an extra attack on the flurry on turns it into:
+9 / +4 / +9 for (1d10+4) per hit plus the extra unarmed strike at +8 for (1d8+2)
And if the unchained monk happened to do all of the above (flurry + spend ki point) while hasted, the sequence would work out as:
+10 / +5 / +10 / +10 for (1d10+4) per hit plus the extra unarmed strike at +9 for (1d8+2)
Is all of the above correct? The thing that seems weird to me is that the extra attack from ki has to be made with an unarmed strike and can't be made using the weapon... but the RAW (below) seems pretty clear...
"By spending 1 point from his ki pool as a swift action, a monk can make one additional unarmed strike at his highest attack bonus when making a flurry of blows attack. This bonus attack stacks with all bonus attacks gained from flurry of blows, as well as those from haste and similar effects."
Yes, but the flurry attacks can be listed in any order so it is easier on the eyes to have the higher BAB first like it was in O-Monk, and RAI it seems you would be able to make the extra attack from the ki point with the monk weapon.
I agree about making the extra attack with a monk weapon. The ability is called Ki Flurry not unarmed flurry. The original monk could do this so it looks like a mistake.
It's been a while since I looked at the Monk, but doesn't the Monk treat "Monk Weapons" as "unarmed" with regards to his abilities?
No, because then they would use unarmed damage, which was not monk weapon's intent. If you want damage you're better of using an unarmed strike, monk weapons were designed for combat maneuver checks.
It's been a while since I looked at the Monk, but doesn't the Monk treat "Monk Weapons" as "unarmed" with regards to his abilities?No, because then they would use unarmed damage, which was not monk weapon's intent. If you want damage you're better of using an unarmed strike, monk weapons were designed for combat maneuver checks.
Though in this case the monk weapon is actually substantially better from a damage perspective... average 9.5 per hit vs 6.5 per hit for the unarmed strike.
True but normally the only TH monk weapon available is the quarter staff which does not do d10 damage. So this is the exception, but it can't benefit from perfect strike so later game unarmed might still be better DPR.