Should everyone have a Core and Standard?


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Fromper wrote:
Jayson MF Kip wrote:

The way I see it, everyone has a few options.

A] Have CORE PCs, complain about Standard games.
B] Have Standard PCs, complain about CORE games.
C] Have both, be happy.

Bonus choice!

D] GM. CORE or Standard doesn't affect your side of the screen.

E] All of the above. That way, you get to play everything AND complain about everything.

some people just aren't happy unless they are complaining...

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And others just aren't complaining unless they are happy. Those people confuse me greatly.


Daniel Myhre wrote:
And others just aren't complaining unless they are happy. Those people confuse me greatly.

I complain about that. It makes me happy.

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thejeff wrote:
Daniel Myhre wrote:
And others just aren't complaining unless they are happy. Those people confuse me greatly.
I complain about that. It makes me happy.

and... I am happy to complain about that.

;)

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Jayson MF Kip wrote:

The way I see it, everyone has a few options.

A] Have CORE PCs, complain about Standard games.
B] Have Standard PCs, complain about CORE games.
C] Have both, be happy.

Bonus choice!

D] GM. CORE or Standard doesn't affect your side of the screen.

I thought if you DM d core you have to use it on a core character? (or give it 2 core credits and then give it a regular credit before 2)

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
I thought if you DM d core you have to use it on a core character? (or give it 2 core credits and then give it a regular credit before 2)

That's correct, but I believe Jayson was referring to the fact that you will run your scenario the same regardless of the party composition. The content of the scenario does not change between Core and Normal, even though how it plays out does differ due to different options available.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Jayson MF Kip wrote:

The way I see it, everyone has a few options.

A] Have CORE PCs, complain about Standard games.
B] Have Standard PCs, complain about CORE games.
C] Have both, be happy.

Bonus choice!

D] GM. CORE or Standard doesn't affect your side of the screen.

I thought if you DM d core you have to use it on a core character? (or give it 2 core credits and then give it a regular credit before 2)

Which seems like a waste of time IMO. And if you're GMing core due to having already GM'd Standard for nearly every scenario and module... waste of GM credits too.

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I tend not to take 3-7 Tier and up chronicles anymore, as it just prevents me from playing my higher level characters.

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Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
I tend not to take 3-7 Tier and up chronicles anymore, as it just prevents me from playing my higher level characters.

I'm like that, too. I like using GM credits to skip level 1, and occasionally to help my low level PCs up to a level where they're more interesting. But usually the concept kicks in by level 4, so I don't like applying GM credits past that. But I will take a sub-tier 3-4 GM credit if I GM one of those and have a character that I'm trying to get to 4th or something.

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I used to be like that, but now I'm taking them if I need them to get the GM credit boxes on the faction card.

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What I probably will do is apply GM credit to my secondary PFS characters (core and standard). That way they can get high enough level to do some of the more challenging scenarios. Of course I'm also overall trying to only run modules I've played in. Which limits me a bit right now. I can run any We Be Goblins module with my personal limits due to having played them before. Not for PFS, but I played them. Crypt of Everflame though... That one I'll have to avoid playing in for a while. That way it's not fresh in my memory.

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Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
I tend not to take 3-7 Tier and up chronicles anymore, as it just prevents me from playing my higher level characters.

Throw them on a level 1? (or save them to get a character over the level 6 doldrum)

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Globally: Since core is the "solution" to the replay problem, we likely won't be getting a better solution to it any time soon.

I disagree with this statement.

Core play is something that had been going on in a few PFS lodges already (basically, people were agreeing to play with Core-only characters because power creep), and once the campaign leadership was made aware of it, they realized it's value as a PFS option.

The issue of replay is something campaign leadership is definitely aware of, just check out the original blog post that announced core play. There was so much backlash in that thread, to me it is obvious that Core isn't the "solution," but rather another option.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Throw them on a level 1?

Correct. I like to use my 7-11 credit to get them to second, and then the lower level credit to get to them to 3rd. I'm tired of playing the first two levels after aborted campaign after aborted campaign outside of organized play.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Jayson MF Kip wrote:

The way I see it, everyone has a few options.

A] Have CORE PCs, complain about Standard games.
B] Have Standard PCs, complain about CORE games.
C] Have both, be happy.

Bonus choice!

D] GM. CORE or Standard doesn't affect your side of the screen.

I thought if you DM d core you have to use it on a core character? (or give it 2 core credits and then give it a regular credit before 2)

Pretty much that. Or turn it to standard at any time (with standard GM Credit) in between when you start it and when you want to add a non-Core option to it. Or shrug and have a Core character GM Stub.

Example:
I plan on building a (non-core) Exalted of Urgathoa. She needs 5 levels of Cleric, and I wasn't going to get any non-core feats until level 5. (If I'm not playing, I'm not prepping non-core spells). I am going to put any CORE credit I have until she's level 4.2 because I want her to get into Exalted at level 6, so she needs Deific Obedience at level 5. Apply one scenario of normal credit, and all is well. (Or play it! to get to 5).

I wont be able to use CORE credit on that character from then on, but it can get a jump start on pretty much all of your characters. And, like you said, if you need to start with non-core options, you can still get 2XP out of the deal.

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Walter Sheppard wrote:


The issue of replay is something campaign leadership is definitely aware of, just check out the original blog post that announced core play. There was so much backlash in that thread, to me it is obvious that Core isn't the "solution," but rather another option.

Every idea gets backlash. Its just usually not taken seriously.

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Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Throw them on a level 1?
Correct. I like to use my 7-11 credit to get them to second, and then the lower level credit to get to them to 3rd. I'm tired of playing the first two levels after aborted campaign after aborted campaign outside of organized play.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you can't apply the credit for a level 3-7 chronicle for example till that character is actually level 3? And that you have to apply the credit immediately if you have a character who can apply it?

Thus if I ran Destiny of the Sand 1 and 2 as Core, I could apply them to Shardrena, and would have to do so immediately. But if I ran a 5-9 scenario (for instance) and don't have a level 5 character I chose a character it will apply to, but it doesn't take affect till that character hits level 5.

This was a concern I initially had for the module I'm running (I hope) on Sunday. I thought the chronicle was for level 3 characters only since that's what the pregens are. So when I saw the sheet said 2-4 I realized I could apply it to my character right away. I anticipate leveling to 2 on Saturday during the first day of the convention.

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Daniel Myhre wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you can't apply the credit for a level 3-7 chronicle for example till that character is actually level 3? And that you have to apply the credit immediately if you have a character who can apply it?

That's why I use 1-5 credit and 1-2 replayables.

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Daniel Myhre wrote:
Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Throw them on a level 1?
Correct. I like to use my 7-11 credit to get them to second, and then the lower level credit to get to them to 3rd.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you can't apply the credit for a level 3-7 chronicle for example till that character is actually level 3?

For GM (or pregen) credit from a scenario, you can apply a higher-level chronicle to a 1st-level PC by reducing the gold reward to 500 gp. Details are in the PFS Guide.

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When applying higher level GM credit I will usually apply it as slow track so its impact on my ability to actually play that character is somewhat mitigated.

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Jayson MF Kip wrote:


D] GM. CORE or Standard doesn't affect your side of the screen.

Oh, but it does.

It really does.

Sometimes it's nice to play a game where everyone knows what everyone else is capable of doing.

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blackbloodtroll wrote:

Misplaced animosity is the only thing I would expect.

Still, I have gotten a few "Well, I prefer a real gamer's game. Most of those who prefer Classic are just min-maxing rollplayers anyways." types of comments.

This is in no way a common thing. It does seriously give me a "dafuq?" reaction when it does happen.

Not common? It started immediately in the first thread where core was announced. Several VOs who knew about it in advance came out swinging right away. I recall making one comment about how the Tien regional languages were necessary to represent characters from those countries and was promptly yelled at - by a venture officer - for trying to destroy Core by forcing in the entire Dragon Empires Primer, the ISWG, the Advanced Player's Guide, the Technology Guide, all the other sourcebooks, and probably the synthesist summoner as well (I lost track).

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Quadstriker wrote:
Jayson MF Kip wrote:


D] GM. CORE or Standard doesn't affect your side of the screen.

Oh, but it does.

It really does.

Sometimes it's nice to play a game where everyone knows what everyone else is capable of doing.

I have left a table where someone saw me summon an air elemental , turn into an air elemental, throw a flying velociraptor at a demon god, burrow into the earth and pop up HADUKEN! style , wondering what the hell sort of crazy build i was playing.

Core. Druid.

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Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
I tend not to take 3-7 Tier and up chronicles anymore, as it just prevents me from playing my higher level characters.

Best use is to push level 6s up to 7 IMO.

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Dave Setty wrote:
Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
I tend not to take 3-7 Tier and up chronicles anymore, as it just prevents me from playing my higher level characters.
Best use is to push level 6s up to 7 IMO.

I think my MO is going to be to DM slow and push a character from 6-7 to fill out the dming slot card.

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Quadstriker wrote:
Jayson MF Kip wrote:


D] GM. CORE or Standard doesn't affect your side of the screen.

Oh, but it does.

It really does.

Sometimes it's nice to play a game where everyone knows what everyone else is capable of doing.

PC builds are only trouble if you go looking for trouble with them. Generally, you tell the players what the NPCs do, they tell you what the PCs do. And if they tell you "237 damage", so be it. You don't really need to know more about how the PCs work in advance than the players do about the NPCs - less so actually. The consequences are less significant.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
I think my MO is going to be to DM slow and push a character from 6-7 to fill out the dming slot card.

Not bad. I guess with the new ability to switch mid-level you can do exactly 5 sessions of level 6.


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Quadstriker wrote:
Jayson MF Kip wrote:


D] GM. CORE or Standard doesn't affect your side of the screen.

Oh, but it does.

It really does.

Sometimes it's nice to play a game where everyone knows what everyone else is capable of doing.

I have left a table where someone saw me summon an air elemental , turn into an air elemental, throw a flying velociraptor at a demon god, burrow into the earth and pop up HADUKEN! style , wondering what the hell sort of crazy build i was playing.

Core. Druid.

Being new to PFS playing CORE isn't so much of an issue character wise instead it is that of continuity. Part 1 may be Standard followed up by Part 2 being CORE. There isn't a way to run the same character in each. If you run your CORE to start with you can't play part 2 with them because they automatically become Standard.

I'm putting feelers out to see if we're going to run sequential scenarios if we can have at least one table of each if we have enough.

My preference is Standard but I'm not secure in my ability to run a campaign yet. CORE I may be able to handle.

And starting at Level 1 you really (IMHO) know what that Cleric who is venturing out from their Temple is capable of.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Quadstriker wrote:
Jayson MF Kip wrote:


D] GM. CORE or Standard doesn't affect your side of the screen.

Oh, but it does.

It really does.

Sometimes it's nice to play a game where everyone knows what everyone else is capable of doing.

I have left a table where someone saw me summon an air elemental , turn into an air elemental, throw a flying velociraptor at a demon god, burrow into the earth and pop up HADUKEN! style , wondering what the hell sort of crazy build i was playing.

Core. Druid.

Do you mean "Hadouken" technique?

(The "Hadouken" technique is later featured in Capcom's Mega Man X series after earning fame in Street Fighter, ...)from Wikipedia.

But then I have had someone ask me for the write up for the spell spark in a Standard game. If I didn't have the source, I couldn't use it right?

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In my local area I jumped right on the core boat right away.

I made a character named Coran Ger (core ranger). To go along with me there is a KORNAN!, Coreladin, Corelic, Coracle,Corvalier, and a few other core names i can not think of off the top of my head.

I play mine as a communist(proletariat CORE! bourgeois splat books!).

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Dave Setty wrote:
Quadstriker wrote:
Jayson MF Kip wrote:


D] GM. CORE or Standard doesn't affect your side of the screen.

Oh, but it does.

It really does.

Sometimes it's nice to play a game where everyone knows what everyone else is capable of doing.

PC builds are only trouble if you go looking for trouble with them. Generally, you tell the players what the NPCs do, they tell you what the PCs do. And if they tell you "237 damage", so be it. You don't really need to know more about how the PCs work in advance than the players do about the NPCs - less so actually. The consequences are less significant.

It's not a question of PC builds being "trouble". I just feel that it is nice to occasionally play in a game where everyone knows what's going on with every character. I've never experienced that in standard. Sometimes I get it in Core. That's nice for me and I like that. If it doesn't matter to you, that's fine too. It's a preference thing.

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FalkrunnCraghammer wrote:

Being new to PFS playing CORE isn't so much of an issue character wise instead it is that of continuity. Part 1 may be Standard followed up by Part 2 being CORE. There isn't a way to run the same character in each. If you run your CORE to start with you can't play part 2 with them because they automatically become Standard.

What my lodge has been doing so far is if it's part of a chain such as Destiny of the Sands, then each part is run in sequence if possible... using the same format. We ran Destiny of the Sands parts 1 and 2 core in back to back Core sessions. Meanwhile for Standard we ran Between the Lines and From Beneath the Ice.

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Quadstriker wrote:
No, but I think everyone has the right to a Move and a Standard.

I'm staggered by such opinions.

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That's better then being stunned. At least you can still move :)

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thejeff wrote:
Daniel Myhre wrote:
And others just aren't complaining unless they are happy. Those people confuse me greatly.
I complain about that. It makes me happy.

I complain about thejeff not favoriting my posts... it gives my typing fingers exercise.

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theshoveller wrote:
Quadstriker wrote:
No, but I think everyone has the right to a Move and a Standard.
I'm staggered by such opinions.

I happen to find all this freedom nauseating.

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The Morphling wrote:
theshoveller wrote:
Quadstriker wrote:
No, but I think everyone has the right to a Move and a Standard.
I'm staggered by such opinions.
I happen to find all this freedom nauseating.

I'm confused... what were we talking about?

whatever it was, I am helpless to respond to it...

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nosig wrote:
The Morphling wrote:
theshoveller wrote:
Quadstriker wrote:
No, but I think everyone has the right to a Move and a Standard.
I'm staggered by such opinions.
I happen to find all this freedom nauseating.

I'm confused... what were we talking about?

whatever it was, I am helpless to respond to it...

.....

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The Late Janus Issilix wrote:
nosig wrote:
The Morphling wrote:
theshoveller wrote:
Quadstriker wrote:
No, but I think everyone has the right to a Move and a Standard.
I'm staggered by such opinions.
I happen to find all this freedom nauseating.

I'm confused... what were we talking about?

whatever it was, I am helpless to respond to it...

.....

are you grappling with a reply?

Frightened that you have exhausted the possibilities, or fascinated by the way we have become entangled in the conversation?

Or perhaps this is all invisible to you?

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Our lodge runs both a core and a standard scenario of varying tier every Wednesday. Depending on sign ups we add a third table when needed. We have never had anyone say NO I AIN'T PLAYING THAT. If they don't have a character of the appropriate tier and/or campaign they grab a iconic and get seated. Maybe it is because we are in the hinterlands and folks are just happy to be able to play at all.
When we have new players join our lodge we have them make 2 characters and ask them to create them as 1 core and 1 standard. We make sure they understand that by doing that it maximizes their chances to be able to play. Eventually they will form a preference for one or the other and that's a good thing, but the option to play the other is always there.
There are occasional complaints about not having enough of this or that tier in core or standard campaign. When that happens, I as the store owner pull out my calendar and ask the complainer when they would like to GM a session of the appropriate tier/campaign. It's amazing how quiet it gets at that point.

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theshoveller wrote:
Quadstriker wrote:
No, but I think everyone has the right to a Move and a Standard.
I'm staggered by such opinions.

Well in that case you only get one of them.

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