It's not the best way to murder a bad guy, but sometimes it's the only way: magic missile.
According to this, you can probably boost the damage of a magic missile with the mesmerist's painful stare class feature.
Conning a wand into believing you're a wizard (via Use Magic Device) will net you one missile. Are there any ways of getting that spell onto your spell list? Or, any other way to cast at higher than 1st level?
Doesn't work. Magic Missile is not an attack. For something to be considered an attack, it requires an attack roll.
Though I'd say the wording is ambiguous enough to allow it on some tables...
Secret Wizard wrote: Doesn't work. Magic Missile is not an attack. For something to be considered an attack, it requires an attack roll.
Though I'd say the wording is ambiguous enough to allow it on some tables...
Would you care to argue that in the post I've referenced? Kazaan quotes the CRB pretty convincingly over there.
There are mythic abilities that would allow you to do this in conjunction with umd.
Have someone higher level make you the wand. A staff would work too.
ohako wrote: Secret Wizard wrote: Doesn't work. Magic Missile is not an attack. For something to be considered an attack, it requires an attack roll.
Though I'd say the wording is ambiguous enough to allow it on some tables...
Would you care to argue that in the post I've referenced? Kazaan quotes the CRB pretty convincingly over there. For ease of reference...
PRD/Magic wrote: Attacks: Some spell descriptions refer to attacking. All offensive combat actions, even those that don't damage opponents, are considered attacks. Attempts to channel energy count as attacks if it would harm any creatures in the area. All spells that opponents resist with saving throws, that deal damage, or that otherwise harm or hamper subjects are attacks. Spells that summon monsters or other allies are not attacks because the spells themselves don't harm anyone.
I'd say that applies to spell descriptions only.
Otherwise, you could naturally Sneak Attack on enemies with a fireball.
Except that Sneak Attack calls out that you have to be able to target the enemy. Therefore, you have to make an attack roll. To consider if something is a basic attack, all you have to ask is: would this break invisibility? As the answer for Magic Missile is yes, it is an attack. Since it is an attack and it deals damage, Painful Stare would affect it.
Val'bryn2 wrote: Except that Sneak Attack calls out that you have to be able to target the enemy. Therefore, you have to make an attack roll. To consider if something is a basic attack, all you have to ask is: would this break invisibility? As the answer for Magic Missile is yes, it is an attack. Since it is an attack and it deals damage, Painful Stare would affect it. hmmm...
CRB wrote: Invisibility:The creature or object touched becomes invisible. If the recipient is a creature carrying gear, that vanishes, too. If you cast the spell on someone else, neither you nor your allies can see the subject, unless you can normally see invisible things or you employ magic to do so.
Items dropped or put down by an invisible creature become visible; items picked up disappear if tucked into the clothing or pouches worn by the creature. Light, however, never becomes invisible, although a source of light can become so (thus, the effect is that of a light with no visible source). Any part of an item that the subject carries but that extends more than 10 feet from it becomes visible.
Of course, the subject is not magically silenced, and certain other conditions can render the recipient detectable (such as swimming in water or stepping in a puddle). If a check is required, a stationary invisible creature has a +40 bonus on its Stealth checks. This bonus is reduced to +20 if the creature is moving. The spell ends if the subject attacks any creature. For purposes of this spell, an attack includes any spell targeting a foe or whose area or effect includes a foe. Exactly who is a foe depends on the invisible character's perceptions. Actions directed at unattended objects do not break the spell. Causing harm indirectly is not an attack. Thus, an invisible being can open doors, talk, eat, climb stairs, summon monsters and have them attack, cut the ropes holding a rope bridge while enemies are on the bridge, remotely trigger traps, open a portcullis to release attack dogs, and so forth. If the subject attacks directly, however, it immediately becomes visible along with all its gear. Spells such as bless that specifically affect allies but not foes are not attacks for this purpose, even when they include foes in their area.
Invisibility can be made permanent (on objects only) with a permanency spell.
The invisibility spell has this clause where it calls out attacks, but only for the purposes of itself, not for any other purpose. I'm beginning to think that Secret Wizard is right, that rogues can sneak attack with fireballs. Time for a new post on that.
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