well now what happens with the child...?


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I know in D&D if a half-elf reproduces with an elf or human the child is guna be ether human or elf. If two half elves reproduce what is the child? elf human or quarter elf? same with other half-breeds and what about two different half-breeds reproducing?


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Half elves produce half elves


It is 1 quarter human, 1 quarter elf, 1 quarter human, and 1 quarter elf. Oh, and 2% milk.

Anyway, it seems like paizo might see things with a smaller proportion than half at times. I know half orcs have an alt trait where they are more human than orc (since it was a couple generations ago), and I am fairly sure that the same is implied with half elves at times.


And once the elven blood gets more 'watered down' after a few more generations, that's where the Humans with Racial Heritage (Elf) come into play.

The rules don't talk about heredity much, because in most cases of this game, the adventure never involves more than a single generation - but there is an underlying assumption, based on not only the racial heritage feat, but also the entire concept of sorcerer's bloodlines, that racial mixing does happen, and not just between humans and elves and orcs.

One could also make their own half-races using the ARG race generator, cherry picking a few traits of either parentage.


Mendel wrote:

There's a 25% the offspring is full elf,

a 25% of full human,
and a 50% of another half elf.

So there's that.


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Only elves can breed elves.

Half elves breed true with other half elves.

Half elf plus human... probably human.

Elf plus half elf=half elf...

Basically, elf is recessive.


Efreeti wrote:
Mendel wrote:

There's a 25% the offspring is full elf,

a 25% of full human,
and a 50% of another half elf.
So there's that.

In the simplest of ways, this is the correct answer.

However, considering that there are untold number of genes that exist in each of the different parent, there is a chance approaching zero but never quite getting there that the child will be either fully elf or fully human. There will be bit of elf and human in each. So, the most realistic answer is half-elves tend to breed true.

It'll take several generations of selective breeding to actually push the scale back towards full elf or full human.

I pretty much allow any half-elf (or half-orc) to swap their skill focus (endurance/intimidating) feat for racial heritage if they want. Saves on the headaches.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
zainale wrote:

I know in D&D if a half-elf reproduces with an elf or human the child is guna be ether human or elf. If two half elves reproduce what is the child? elf human or quarter elf? same with other half-breeds and what about two different half-breeds reproducing?

Whatever the GM wants to pop out. If you're looking for rules based answers on reproduction... they do not exist.


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LazarX wrote:
zainale wrote:

I know in D&D if a half-elf reproduces with an elf or human the child is guna be ether human or elf. If two half elves reproduce what is the child? elf human or quarter elf? same with other half-breeds and what about two different half-breeds reproducing?

Whatever the GM wants to pop out. If you're looking for rules based answers on reproduction... they do not exist.

Congratulations! It is a beautiful baby bugbear.


She definitely has her father's... tusks?

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
lemeres wrote:
LazarX wrote:
zainale wrote:

I know in D&D if a half-elf reproduces with an elf or human the child is guna be ether human or elf. If two half elves reproduce what is the child? elf human or quarter elf? same with other half-breeds and what about two different half-breeds reproducing?

Whatever the GM wants to pop out. If you're looking for rules based answers on reproduction... they do not exist.
Congratulations! It is a beautiful baby bugbear.

That's one way to start an investigative storyline.

Shadow Lodge

alexd1976 wrote:

Only elves can breed elves.

Half elves breed true with other half elves.

Half elf plus human... probably human.

Elf plus half elf=half elf...

Basically, elf is recessive.

That was 3.5. In Pathfinder it's implied that when few to no traits of a human or elven ancestor in a gene pool that's mostly the other. So 3-4 generations down the road a half elves descendants would be the dominant race in the area (assuming no additional admixture) with an occasional racial heritage trait and perhaps an odd half whatever showing up just by a quirky roll of the genetic dice.

I like this better.


It depends on the campaign. I say that all half-breeds are sterile and cannot have children.

For example, in the real world, a horse and donkey can produce mules, but they are usually not able to have offspring of their own.


You understand that brings Half-Dragons, Tieflings, Aasimars, about half a dozen Sorcerer Bloodlines, and quite a few other things to a screeching halt, right?

Dark Archive

Half-Elves breed Half-Elves as far as I can remember. For something likes this, I would check out that new inner sea races book if you're looking for Golarion specific rules. Otherwise it is up to the setting I believe.


Nocte ex Mortis wrote:
You understand that brings Half-Dragons, Tieflings, Aasimars, about half a dozen Sorcerer Bloodlines, and quite a few other things to a screeching halt, right?

All of those are accomplished with magic where normal reproduction rules do not apply.


So I'm guessing half elves and half orcs are exceedingly rare in your games?


darth_borehd wrote:
Nocte ex Mortis wrote:
You understand that brings Half-Dragons, Tieflings, Aasimars, about half a dozen Sorcerer Bloodlines, and quite a few other things to a screeching halt, right?

All of those are accomplished with magic where normal reproduction rules do not apply.

Where are you getting that idea from?


darth_borehd wrote:

It depends on the campaign. I say that all half-breeds are sterile and cannot have children.

For example, in the real world, a horse and donkey can produce mules, but they are usually not able to have offspring of their own.

However, Lions and Tigers produce Ligers, which can produce offspring of their own.

Similarly, Galahs and Corellas (Australian parrots) can interbreed and their offspring breed true.

There is no hard-and-fast rule with species interbreeding in real life.


Golarion has "true breeding" half-orcs and half-elves. There's a TON of lore on it. See Bastards of Golarion. and other cities referenced throughout the Inner Sea splat books.


Nocte ex Mortis wrote:
She definitely has her father's... tusks?

And beard.


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darth_borehd wrote:
Nocte ex Mortis wrote:
You understand that brings Half-Dragons, Tieflings, Aasimars, about half a dozen Sorcerer Bloodlines, and quite a few other things to a screeching halt, right?

All of those are accomplished with magic where normal reproduction rules do not apply.

So all a half-breed needs to reproduce is a scroll of Alter Self?


LazarX wrote:
lemeres wrote:
LazarX wrote:
zainale wrote:

I know in D&D if a half-elf reproduces with an elf or human the child is guna be ether human or elf. If two half elves reproduce what is the child? elf human or quarter elf? same with other half-breeds and what about two different half-breeds reproducing?

Whatever the GM wants to pop out. If you're looking for rules based answers on reproduction... they do not exist.
Congratulations! It is a beautiful baby bugbear.
That's one way to start an investigative storyline.

Thus began the adventures of Gnory povich the Gnome, Martha Stuart the Halfling, and Orcra Winfight the Orc...

Will Gnory discover the father even if it kills him? Will Martha find out how to escape prison with her trusty pair of knitting needles and a pinecone? Will they survive initiation into Orcra's "book Club"? Find out next time...

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