Amateur Swashbuckler starting Panache


Rules Questions

Scarab Sages

Amateur Swashbuckler states that you gain 1 Panache per day, to a cap of your Charisma Modifier. If you have a level 3 character with Amateur Swashbuckler and 20 CHA, how much does the character get?:

- 1 Panache Points at the Start (Pools are reset at the start of each Scenario)
- 5 Panache Points at the Start (Pools are capped due to unlimited Downtime length)

Clarification for this would help out a bunch.

Scarab Sages

Based on the fact that there is no specific amount of time between scenarios and a reading of the Amateur Swashbuckler feat (thank you for linking that by the way), I would have to say that you start with 5 panache points.

I would recommend checking this thread to see if anyone else concurs with my information before going with a final response.

Sczarni

It's the same language as Amateur Gunslinger, too.

If it stated something to the effect of "you begin each day with 1 point", I'd say that multiple days wouldn't stack, but since it states you "gain" 1 point each day, I'd say you could start each scenario at max capacity (barring those two multi-part scenarios where you're assumed to have picked up immediately after the preceding part).

Silver Crusade

Nefreet wrote:

It's the same language as Amateur Gunslinger, too.

If it stated something to the effect of "you begin each day with 1 point", I'd say that multiple days wouldn't stack, but since it states you "gain" 1 point each day, I'd say you could start each scenario at max capacity (barring those two multi-part scenarios where you're assumed to have picked up immediately after the preceding part).

I'd always read it as you start each day with one panache. That reading still seems reasonable to me, as does the alternate reading that you start a scenario full.

So, expect table variation.

Not that it matters too much after the errata:-). The main reason people took this has gone.

Silver Crusade

pauljathome wrote:
Not that it matters too much after the errata:-). The main reason people took this has gone.

Ummm... Wow. That's arbitrary. It's like they're trying to make the Dex-based warpriest of Cayden even harder than it already is. :P (I have a player locally trying to make that work; I'll have to break the news to her. At least she hasn't hit the level she was planning to take the feat at yet.)


pauljathome wrote:

I'd always read it as you start each day with one panache. That reading still seems reasonable to me, as does the alternate reading that you start a scenario full.

So, expect table variation.

Not that it matters too much after the errata:-). The main reason people took this has gone.

If it starts effectively full then it is quite tempting on a charisma primary character. Cao uses it on his bard for dodging panache giving a bonus 9 points of AC against one attack. It can also potentially break a full attack if the enemy doesn't have a 5' step left.

If it does start full then my Oracles might well love it.

Silver Crusade

andreww wrote:
pauljathome wrote:

I'd always read it as you start each day with one panache. That reading still seems reasonable to me, as does the alternate reading that you start a scenario full.

So, expect table variation.

Not that it matters too much after the errata:-). The main reason people took this has gone.

If it starts effectively full then it is quite tempting on a charisma primary character. Cao uses it on his bard for dodging panache giving a bonus 9 points of AC against one attack. It can also potentially break a full attack if the enemy doesn't have a 5' step left.

If it does start full then my Oracles might well love it.

If you're putting it on a high crit range front liner sort it probably also doesn't make a HUGE difference if it starts at 1 or full. It will probably fill up fairly quickly in most scenarios. Obviously there are exceptions to that (hence all the weasel words :-) )

Scarab Sages

In my most recent game, I was able to use it once, so it was not much of a problem. Table Variation is what I might be concerned with.

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