totemic summons advanced template ?


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so with the totemic summons you can add the advanced template does this mean you also use the rebuild option for it and does it make your summon natures ally 4 a 5th lvl spell. if yes would magical lineage turn it back into a 4th lvl spell ?

is there a totemic summons for herd animal like bison or would that be in the boar shaman summons.


Yes, you need a higher-level spell and the creatures is more powerful. Magical Lineage does nothing, because it's not a metamagic feat.


ok thanks so it does use rebuild rules and what about summoning aurochs or bisons with totemic summoning is there a way ?

Sczarni

If you have time to stat out your summons, use the rebuild rules.

If you just decided that a crocodile would be better than your normal velociraptor, and you're literally thumbing through the Bestiary before your turn in combat, use the quick rules.

Just search through the available Druid Shamans to see if you can find one that summons herd animals. I'm personally not aware of one, but there may be one out there.


ok so i might be doing saurian shaman and want to know if i can use gifted adept to make it so sna 4 is still a lvl 4 spell.


No, gifted adept doesn't do anything like that. It increases your caster level when casting the spell, but doesn't affect the spell level at all.

Sczarni

I played a Saurian Shaman to 13th level in PFS (and hope to take him all the way to 20). I can say from experience, and multiple bouts of playtesting, that the Young Template was by far the best bang for your buck anyways.

The penalties for being Young are mostly offset by the bonuses granted by the Augment Summoning feat. You're left with a creature that's (usually) +1 AC, +1 Reflex, +1 to-hit, -1 damage per attack, and fits better down hallways. DCs of your special abilities (like the Akylosaur's Stun) also remain the same as the base creature.

Summoning Young versions of Ankylosaurus, Triceratops, Brachiosaurus, and Tyrannosaurs effectively two character levels before you get the regular versions was a very strong option. The extra Hit Points from Totemic Summoning was a nice little boon as well.

In that regard, if you took Gifted Adept, your summons using that spell would have +1 hit point, but I'd strongly avoid doing it for just that reason.


ive actually changed my mind and im completely focusing on wild shape so im going druid fighter barbarian for furious finish and vital strike build.

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